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#111
Feb 7 2012 02:03pm
Quote (Hellish Orc @ Feb 7 2012 11:38am)
Cadillac I've seen your topics and you know NOTHING about car audio so please back off... I have MANY times said the SQ loss is inaudable and it's indeed NOT, you think you can hear it? if so you're fucking stupid. This is just out of hand anyways, lol go say this shit on CA.com and see how long you last there all I'm sayin you don't gotta be an expert to know that some of these claims are bs so yeah onto the next great debate I suppose.

anyways I'm a nice guy regardless of if this makes me look like an ass theres just too many novices in here thinking they know everything about car audio, not pointing any fingers jus sayin 90% of the world uses mp3's even those CD's they use in those stands are mp3 cd's half the time so w/e is clever. I just stand firm to my statements if I'm wrong prove me wrong or gtfo with your bs.


The fact that you still think this has anything to do with car audio is laughable. I'll nip this in the bud by saying yes, car audio professionals use MP3's. Noted, moving on to something that actually matters.
This is a discussion about the quality lost in converting an uncompressed audio file into a compressed audio file. What area of expertise do the following terms fall into? Compression algorithms, digital conversion,
bit rate, file extensions. Still think we're discussing something you have a clue about?

MP3's are fine for audio competitions for the following reasons: No skipping, frequencies above 20 hz are kept intact just enough to capture nearly all of the lows, quality in highs doesn't matter. All this being said,
you're partially right. The quality loss in MP3's doesn't effect the audio competition aspect because the loss isn't enough to outweigh the ease of use. The only part you're wrong in is that the sound quality loss is
inaudible. It's extremely noticeable, in fact it down right sounds like shit compared to .WAV .AAC etc. The biggest loss is taken in the higher frequencies. Go rip an MP3 of some acoustic guitar with a singer and tell
me it sounds good, I'll call you out on your lack of knowledge.

You claim to be a nice guy and come off as a pompous ass right after introducing yourself. Fall back.

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Feb 7 2012 04:37pm
Quote (Subwoofer @ Feb 7 2012 01:35pm)
you know IASCA right? get this...they use a CD for the sound quality test. those who judge professionals use a cd(wav) for sound quality competition so can we just end it on that note?

and this debate happens in length on every audio forum that there is. quality is subjective and thats why this continues to be a debate.


I own a copy of said CD. Its 90% Orchestra haha.
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Feb 7 2012 04:38pm
Quote (Cadillac @ Feb 7 2012 03:03pm)
The fact that you still think this has anything to do with car audio is laughable. I'll nip this in the bud by saying yes, car audio professionals use MP3's. Noted, moving on to something that actually matters.
This is a discussion about the quality lost in converting an uncompressed audio file into a compressed audio file. What area of expertise do the following terms fall into? Compression algorithms, digital conversion,
bit rate, file extensions. Still think we're discussing something you have a clue about?

MP3's are fine for audio competitions for the following reasons: No skipping, frequencies above 20 hz are kept intact just enough to capture nearly all of the lows, quality in highs doesn't matter. All this being said,
you're partially right. The quality loss in MP3's doesn't effect the audio competition aspect because the loss isn't enough to outweigh the ease of use. The only part you're wrong in is that the sound quality loss is
inaudible. It's extremely noticeable, in fact it down right sounds like shit compared to .WAV .AAC etc. The biggest loss is taken in the higher frequencies. Go rip an MP3 of some acoustic guitar with a singer and tell
me it sounds good, I'll call you out on your lack of knowledge.

You claim to be a nice guy and come off as a pompous ass right after introducing yourself. Fall back.


Lol?
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#114
Feb 7 2012 06:55pm
Quote (Cadillac @ Feb 7 2012 08:03pm)
The fact that you still think this has anything to do with car audio is laughable. I'll nip this in the bud by saying yes, car audio professionals use MP3's. Noted, moving on to something that actually matters.
This is a discussion about the quality lost in converting an uncompressed audio file into a compressed audio file. What area of expertise do the following terms fall into? Compression algorithms, digital conversion,
bit rate, file extensions. Still think we're discussing something you have a clue about?

MP3's are fine for audio competitions for the following reasons: No skipping, frequencies above 20 hz are kept intact just enough to capture nearly all of the lows, quality in highs doesn't matter. All this being said,
you're partially right. The quality loss in MP3's doesn't effect the audio competition aspect because the loss isn't enough to outweigh the ease of use. The only part you're wrong in is that the sound quality loss is
inaudible. It's extremely noticeable, in fact it down right sounds like shit compared to .WAV .AAC etc. The biggest loss is taken in the higher frequencies. Go rip an MP3 of some acoustic guitar with a singer and tell
me it sounds good, I'll call you out on your lack of knowledge.

You claim to be a nice guy and come off as a pompous ass right after introducing yourself. Fall back.


The discussions was not on Quality at all it was on loudness and numbers and audible hearing... Regardless I MEANT to be an ass towards you since you spew so much random stupid bullshit, but not towards Avoid or Subwoofer. Some people just don't understand things they havn't tested and believe strickly what they've read. Anyone with half abrain can tell you WAV is better than MP3 but not to the extent that some have mentioned it's just not true. You can spew all the shit you want man I still think you're a car audio novice no matter what degree you have.

and personally if WAV/MP3 is audible I'd suggest resetting your filters and re-adjusting gains or getting better equipment than the crap you're running... Because you don't have a SQ setup or anywhere near one or just burning better mp3's and not using 128rate other than that yeah you're a noob gfg..

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#115
Feb 7 2012 08:13pm
Quote (Hellish Orc @ Feb 7 2012 06:55pm)
The discussions was not on Quality at all it was on loudness and numbers and audible hearing... Regardless I MEANT to be an ass towards you since you spew so much random stupid bullshit, but not towards Avoid or Subwoofer. Some people just don't understand things they havn't tested and believe strickly what they've read. Anyone with half  abrain can tell you WAV is better than MP3 but not to the extent that some have mentioned it's just not true. You can spew all the shit you want man I still think you're a car audio novice no matter what degree you have.

and personally if WAV/MP3 is audible I'd suggest resetting your filters and re-adjusting gains or getting better equipment than the crap you're running... Because you don't have a SQ setup or anywhere near one or just burning better mp3's and not using 128rate other than that yeah you're a noob gfg..


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#116
Feb 7 2012 08:21pm
Talking about sq while running pioneer 2 way coaxs off of a sony 800.4 lol
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Feb 7 2012 08:23pm
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Feb 8 2012 06:57am
Quote (Avoid @ Feb 8 2012 02:21am)
Talking about sq while running pioneer 2 way coaxs off of a sony 800.4 lol


Yeah too bad I was running a Kicker KX600.4 and now going to be running an Onyx 1000.4 and 8 6.5" Crescendo Pro's which are as good a Seleniums which are one of the best SQ speakers on the market. Just because I had the Sony lying around when my kicker broke doesn't mean shit you're grasping for air Avoid. Plus these Pioneers have lasted me years and only cost about $50 a pair and handled almost twice their RMS you just need to learn how to run your shit bruh.

Besides you should talk, talking about SQ when you ran bottom of the bin Type R's that sound like dog crap and perform like one too for the same price I paid for my DC's I'd imagine too lol.

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#119
Feb 8 2012 08:01am
and says the guy that runs crappier door speakers, amplifiers and subwoofers than me I bet I know more heavy hitters too especially in maine concidering I bet you've never even been to Sanford Sound. I wouldnt talk shit and give advice when you run what you do.

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#120
Feb 8 2012 08:41am
sigh. a couple things i'll point out.

knowing people does not reflect your own abilities. stop trying to name drop because it doesn't change anything.

you ran cheap pioneer speakers and claim to know all about sound quality but bash on others for using lower end stuff and say it proves they know nothing. see the hypocrisy?

and there is no way out of the fact you claimed your setup was high sound quality running cheap coaxials. its clear you don't know what sound quality actually means at this point but this is common with spl people.
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