again i dont know why you think 2 atrs aren't capable of 141-143@1200-1500rms in a good box. i've seen this many many times so whatever you want to think.

sundowns are worth the money but they are not worth the effort to overpower by 65% and build a box to account for that with zero experience building boxes. for god sakes you assume a lot of the average entry level person to have not only the tools but the required carpentry ability to do it right. explain to me how you can explain how to hear distortion to people who have never even had a subwoofer before. thats like trying to explain sound to a deaf guy.

they are not worth the extra money because its not something a beginner should be doing because the margin of error is too high.

Sealed boxes ftw!

Funny because Avoids custom box with 1800w only his a 142.8 and that car with an aftermarket battery, custom box, 2000w+ barely hit a 142... So how do atr's hit a 142-43 easily? They don't and were comparing 1000w here not 1500w vs 1000w even in that case an SA-12 would probably beat two Type R's both SQ and SPL wise.

theres no effort in overpowering them 65% 1000w is nothing to them and in most cases barely pushes them. I've seen entry users putting 2k to a pair and complaining about how they could take way more, theres a guy that ran 2 of these daily @ .5 ohm off 3500w. 1k is NOTHING an SA-12 will take 1k better than 2 ATR 12's will take 1k I guarantee that. also if you run over 600w to a Type R you can hear the leap slapping against the cone and it's very audable you don't need distortion they just sound terrible. That's like you telling people to use WAV's it's no more audible then speaker distortion.

and honestly how hard is it to take a cut sheet go to home depot pay 5$ for them to cut the wood then buy screws and glue and some clamps (need 2 of these @ 8$ a pair.) and glue/screw the box together? If you watch one simple tutorial on youtube that's more than sufficient the hardest part is cutting the wood.

Point is people shouldnt settle for less because we allow it we know better and we should set the standard.

This post was edited by Hellish Orc on Feb 21 2012 07:30pm

Even sealed boxes can be done wrong if they're not sturdy enough or big enough... and most subwoofers don't like sealed enclosure or don't get loud in them I can list the few that do but most are in the range of $250-$400.

Mines in a 1" mdf box that is plenty sturdy, and my ATR's love their sealed box.

Theres a difference between acceptable sound in a sealed box and being really loud while sounding clean in a sealed box I prefer not to sacrifice my SPL for SQ when I can have both.

Mine were louder than I wanted actually, I kept the sealed box to keep it quiet but it still beat the fuck out of my truck.

you claimed he was lying and his amp didn't even do 1500rms and he his 142.8 on an amp you claimed didn't even do 1500. so explain how another set on a onx.1500 wouldn't be able to hit 142-143. this is why i laugh at you because you can't even keep shit straight.

you can claim that all day but the fact of the matter is the atrs will still manage those same numbers at the same price and if one does happen to blow you can still run the other one by itself instead of having to recone or replace. this again is something that is helpful to anyone running a budget system because they can get by with running one with no extra cost.

cutting wood is easy. assembling it yourself without fucking it up because you don't have all the proper tools to do it right is another thing. i don't assume anything out of people i always give them the option instead of forcing it on them. if they have a local shop or feel comfortable doing it themselves i'm not going to stop them but im also not going to leave out the option of a prefab just because its something i wouldn't do because i have the tools and the ability.

Well then I guess for you that worked out nicely I like head pounding bass :-p with lots of air movement.

I had my lows turned on -4 on my HU, and my amp wasn't turned up very much. Was just overkill for a s10.