Quote (Subwoofer @ Aug 7 2012 12:07pm)

i wouldn't expect much more than 130db even in a perfect box on music and i don't consider anything under 140db to be "loud" in a big picture kind of way.

i don't understand your example? speaker size and box design are only two of many factors that make a sub loud or not.

and no i don't. 140-145db is easy to get with a well designed subwoofer,a well designed amplifer@ around 1000rms watts and a good box.





its a better sub for the money for sure. you will also have to buy a more expensive amplifier. like http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_23874_MB-Quart-ONX1.1000D.html

Quote (RSDXzec @ Aug 7 2012 01:45am)

box design plays a large roll in it as does the vehicle, i drive a hatchback so it was easy for me.

Quote (Subwoofer @ Aug 5 2012 06:23pm)

it still won't be very loud. it will be loud enough inside your car but you aren't going to turn heads or anything like that.

Quote (Dragon0slaye @ Aug 9 2012 11:34am)

For that price i'd go with P1 10" rockfords. Must better than Pioneer.

Quote (Beau @ Aug 9 2012 05:20am)

I think he was just saying it was out of context. He knows exactly what you are saying. Just didn't understand why.
300 rms is pretty small compared to what most of these guys are swinging.  I use roughly seven to eight hundred rms just for my mids and tweets and im just a lil guy compared to some of these guys lol.

Quote (RSDXzec @ Aug 6 2012 03:37am)

Do you know how to design a ported box properly? If you're willing to spend time learning you can build a pretty damn good box for it.
I designed a ported box for a single soundstream 12" and only gave it 300watts rms and it was turning heads two blocks down.

This is the box from my last setup, 2.3 cubic feet after displacements tuned to 25hz, at those specs it's not what you'd call an SPL box aka loud on the meter, but it's a sound quality box. Meaning it'll hit those low notes much harder than most boxes will, those are the notes which if given enough SPL hit the hardest and travel further.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2yw66xg.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/2e0jwwx.jpg



Really? Either pioneer makes shit subs, you haven't heard a single 12" in a well designed box, or you listen to 4 18"s on 10kwatts everyday lol.
Before I designed my box it was in a shitty sealed box and I"ll agree with you there it wasn't very loud, but if you put time and effort into learning how subwoofers respond in different enclosures you can make it work.

Quote (Beau @ Aug 10 2012 12:05am)

Sorry head to head ill take pioneer any day especially at 20$ cheaper cleaner lower........ Graveyard in my shop holds 13 rockfords and 3 pioneers easy choice for me 

Subwoofer Series  Punch P1
Subwoofer Size  10"
Peak Power Handling  500 watts
RMS Power Handling  250 watts
Voice Coil(s)  Single
Impedance (Per Voice Coil)  4 ohms
Voice Coil Diameter  2"
Frequency Response  30 - 250 Hz
Sensitivity  85 dB
Xmax (millimeters)  7.0 mm
Subwoofer Design  Round / Circle
Main Cone Color  Black
Woofer Composition  Kevlar Reinforced Pulp (Paper)
Woofer Surround  NBR Half Roll
Subwoofer Grille  No
Re-Cone Kit Available  No

Subwoofer Series  Champion
Subwoofer Size  10"
Peak Power Handling  1200 watts
RMS Power Handling  350 watts
Voice Coil(s)  Single
Impedance (Per Voice Coil)  4 ohms
Frequency Response  20 - 280 Hz
Sensitivity  92 dB
Subwoofer Design  Round / Circle
Main Cone Color  Black
Woofer Composition  Injection Molded Polypropylene (IMPP)
Woofer Surround  Elastic Polymer
Subwoofer Grille  No
Re-Cone Kit Available  No