Ok i watched a few games now and everyone in challenger/masters all respect the other more or less, not over extending or being too agressive managing waves last hitting.
In bronze ppl just go ham especially yasuo mid just push like there is no tomorrow basically soo agressive that sitting around my turret without a worry in the world.
I am lucky if jungle comes to gank this but i spend most of my games farming under turret and while i am getting better still not ideal.

I can play defensively and try to poke here and there but even then still dive me. Or should i go ham to retaliate?

how do i deal with this full agro play i want to turn these kinds of games around.

If anyone has some suggesting to help a bronzie would be appreciated

hey actually you can look some tutorials, witch combo's u can use.
In your Team are also 4 other players they can help you ask your Jungler probably and ward if possible.

If the enemie trying to poke use some skills to bring him low. If you are not hitting all minions its not a problem exept if he is going to kill you.

When you gonna getting dived try to stun him und survive tower brings early pretty much dmg.


Ask for help in ur team probably switch the line. From Mid to Top.

in the iron-bronze devision i rammed that farm in turret every time with Heimerdonk

in gold-platina, with my Teemo i mostly only lasthit and get pushed in,
i even not push when my opponent recalls
i not realy care about turret plates, even when they give 120 gold, witch is like 8farm, is mostly aim for this at 12min mark, roaming time

its good to be pushed in, you learn to play as the underdog

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i loose lane, to win it

Be agressive too and show them who is a boss here

Depends on the champ u playing.

Want to play towards your strengths, and power spikes. Do you have better sustained damage? Better range adv? Can you set up ganks wells with your cc? Etc..

Generally it's not ideal being pushed in 24/7 as you generally lose priority. This can lead to shallower vision and less priority on roams and give them opportunities to set up dives.

For example.
I play a ton of losing matchup with veigardaddy. E.g., zed, fizz, lb, kass.
Wave management and mana (u can think of your mana as an hp bar as well, is the mana you are using for poke meaningful? Or is it detracting from your goal in lane) are key in these matchup.

You can set up situations in which you feel safer
1) playing under turret range where u can negate gap closers and focus on dodging skillshots. You want to be setting up areas where u can free farm or chunk effectively.
2 ) building up slow pushes. Gives you additional safety as minions will help in damaging (this can be done in alot of different ways)
a) keeping 1 minion adv
poking within enemy minions forcing aggro on you (can be good if you want to push waves while not autoing or using your spells on waves, however minion damage early is meaningful)
c)
3) pink wards to set up jungle ganks.
4) run some defensive setup so you can play more aggro. (E.g. seekers early, corrupting potion dark seal, time warp + biscuit, mercs vs double ap jungle mid resolve tree etc.)

There's a bit of matchup specific knowledge that I can show you regarding yasuo if that specifically was your problem though

This post was edited by potentate on Jan 22 2020 01:31pm

You should tailor improvements around your playstyle and elo.

For example, getting knowledge about wave management in bronze is kinda useless because more probably you should improve your champion knowledge and basic matchups first.

One thing that can help you out always is that there's not (hopefully) a champion that wins over everyone else. With winning I mean pushing alone the game to the enemy nexus more than 55% of times.

Remembering that, you should start thinking about your champion as a set of strenght&weakness points, so that every matchup analysis becomes basically a comparison of standard charateristics. This should automatically decide your playstyle.

Letting the enemy pushing without thinking if you should, is generally a bad choice especially in midlane, because you basically give up that portion of map creating opportunities for your enemy and negating them for your team (i.e. drakes, scuttle wars, herald, jungle invades).

An example of champion charateristics to keep in mind and compare with your enemy, especially between level 1 and 6 :

• Range of Autos
  
• CD of a full spell rotation (Q+W+E)
  
• HP Regen / Lifesteal / Spellvamp
  
• Mana cost of a full spell rotation (E+W+Q)
  
• Mana cost of the poking spell (usually one)
  
• Dashes
  
• CCs

An example of further charateristics to keep in mind (more experienced playstyle) :

• Damage potential over 2 seconds (fast trade)
  
• Damage potential over 5 seconds (long trade)
  
• Window of full damage (seconds of the longest sequence of AA/spells without repetitions)
  
• % of potential negated damage from either you or your enemy (based on player skill)
  
• Push potential
  

I know your question : do you consider all of those when you play? The answer is : more time you spend on these the first time you play a matchup, less time you need on the next similar matchups cause you get confident.

This post was edited by NomadJe on Jan 22 2020 01:44pm

Yeah I agree that wave management is slightly out of the scope in that elo.
I just like to build up good habits for people to consider. Cause honestly lets be real. Doesn't take much of a brain to play league, and it's not really that advanced

Also does depend quite a bit on the champs he plays though. As if he's primarily playing control mages, you really gotta focus on waves.

I've seen tons of silvers and bronze with actually decent mechanics and champ specific knowledge (mechsnicallly gold/plat level) but they mindlessly fight without any regard to jungle or wave placement causing so much more unnecessary risk.

But yeah at that elo I would generally suggest just trimming champ pool and focus on learning how to play a lane out a few different ways

This post was edited by potentate on Jan 22 2020 01:48pm

I don't agree with this, at all.

League is one of the most difficult games to be mastered because although it has a decent-but-not-impossible amount of concepts, it requires you to take multiple decisions every second, and realizing the real impact of those little decisions is hard even for analysts.

Just learning the real meaning of every step in your game can potentially leads you to challenger elo, just consider that the real skill gap between challenger and D1 is the same between D1 and B5 and even top challengers get coached because they still suck in some kind of aspects (I like to watch how LS makes every single challenger look like a dumb when he plays).

This post was edited by NomadJe on Jan 22 2020 01:56pm

99.9% of the player base won't get to that level nor will they put the time in to getting there. Yes skill gap is high, however he's bronze. So he has a ton of room to learn lol

Basic concepts aren't hard, it's the execution of it. There are so many miniscule things to consider to achieve a goal more effectively and the higher elo you go the more things u have take into account. My point is that alot of people in that elo don't consider the most basic aspects at all and instead focus on pure mechanical outplay to win games.

Honestly a really good habit to think of is just general risk vs reward.
Is the action your taking beneficial for you?

At lower elo, can be simplified to can I push/fight?
At higher elo can be more specific. Where do I stand? What can I gain from standing here? Tracking jungler etc

This post was edited by potentate on Jan 22 2020 02:01pm