Quote (Elku @ Jan 11 2011 08:12pm)

INCOMING OPINION:
Jungle udyr without madred will have problems later on or will lag behind, you won't be competitive.

You can be tanky AND be doing a f-ton of damage with Madred's bloodrazor. It gives some armor too, so that can't be ignored I guess.

IMHO you should start at blue, you just have to spam you W to keep a shield up to absorb most of the damage and smite at the end, then you can do the rest of the jungle uber quickly by playing with W and R. You SHOULD start with Turtle, and get a point in tiger around level 8-10 so that you can tower push harder (The IAS increase + Pheonix passive = towers got down in seconds). Glyph should be MR/lvl imho, flat armor just sucks, especially on glyph since it's like secondary or third tier.

Quote (cooper888 @ 11 Jan 2011 23:49)

no.
you do not need a madreds!

Quote (Elku @ Jan 11 2011 09:35pm)

To be efficient at jungling, you'll need madred's razor ASAP. That item can be turned into 2 other items, Lantern or Bloodrazor. The reason I say bloodrazor is because the damage scales, and because of Tiger's active and passive, you can rape someone in matters of seconds with that item alone. One of my favorite build is Madred, IAS boots, Atma's, Banshee's veil and 2x Warmog, tanky as fuck, DPSing like mad with Bloodrazor and nice AD from Atma's + you're a tank with decent armor/MR.

EDIT: Oh and swap out the last warmog for a Frozen Mallet if you lack CC or can't keep your red buff up to run down enemies.

Quote (cooper888 @ 12 Jan 2011 00:44)

no you do not need a madreds on udyr for efficient jungling.