Quote (Chubby @ Apr 3 2011 07:31pm)

This guide is lacking any serious guide lines in regards to items. It just listed a whole bunch of items that have CDR, AP, or Magic Pen on them, but in no real order or in any real ideal usage. It did the same thing for runes, and gave no serious stanard mixture of runes, masteries, and items for good synergy together. You also neglect the basic concept of any Annie builds by ignoring the fact that her AP ratio's are horrid and that she is stronger by stacking Magic Pen than AP, and you have no serious survivability on Annie which makes her a easy target for any team to easily drop her without worrying about any real damage output from her.

The item build doesn't cover any item range to stack for CDR/MPEN to synergize with your masteries or runes and just gives out random numbers without any information as to what your masteries or runes are while using those items. Lich Bane is NOT good on Annie and should never be on her because she should be tossing spells and walking away and never be close enough for an auto attack other than for a second to burst and run. It doesn't cover anything in regards to MPen information and how you should utilize a void staff or stacking Guise + Sorc boots, or Boots of Speed + Void Staff.

I do not agree with getting Rylai's on an Annie either. It takes a matter of 8 seconds to stack a stun with her spells if you have the proper CDR, and the slow is not strong enough for a squishy Annie to be proud of having. She should have some MPen, and just back off and stun if needed by stacking her shield + Breathe if she is being chased. There are stronger items that can be put on Annie to utilize, and she should have some survivability anyways.

Quote (Textbook @ Apr 3 2011 08:21pm)

I applaud your items section.

I only skimmed your guide but it was overall well done.
I, unlike chubby, argee with ryalis on annie - it's a fine move, but that's me.

Quote (Chubby @ Apr 3 2011 08:37pm)

Extremely bad quote ability

Quote (Chubby @ Apr 3 2011 01:33pm)

Acer I am sorry to say, but I am going to shit all over your item build. :/

To start off I am going to explain how your build is flawed.

To start lets look at Magic Pen boots + Guise which is a total of 40 MPen. My standard Corki at level 1 has 46 MRes.

I always build a banshee on my corki, so that puts me at 96 MRes. You're going to reduce my MRes by (40), then 15% will be taken as Magic Pen which puts me at 56 * .15 = 48.6MRes. (This build costs you 2600 gold in regards to the Boots Move 2 + Guise which gives 20 AP, 200 health. This build does not scale for late game, and gets weaker as the game goes on.)

So your 15% Magic Pen only took away !!!!8!!!! of my resistance.. OH NOES?!!?!?!?!?!

HOWEVER if you were to ignore that 20 Magic Pen boots and 20 magic pen guise, and had 15% reduction alone at my 96 MRes it has now taken away 14.4 to 81 MRes. (Rounding)

Instead of getting Guise + Magic Res boots +/ Void you need to only get ONE OR THE OTHER. If you get a void staff + Mastery which is 40% + 15% you will reach a grand total of 49% Spell Pen. (Please note that I am not going to explain the math, but its basically capped at 49%. So back to my 96 MRes.. Now you take 47 MRes away which puts me at 49 MRes. (Keep in mind you are only .4 MRes from surpassing the Guise + Boots + Mastery with just a void staff alone. (This build costs you 3300, but you get 70 AP, Boots Move 3. Please note you've now paid 700Coins for 50AP more, instead of 860 for 40. Void staff scales for late game and the more magic res they get the better it is.)

I highly suggest you build ONLY the void staff with boots of speed, and just build a survivability item afterwards, but I would NOT stack all those items, because you're making your void staff worthless by doing it isntead of just getting a full out AP item.

Now if you got Guise + Boots + Void + Mastery against 96 MRes this is the math.. 96 - 40 = 56 * .49 = 28.56 (That .49% reduction only took a whopping 27.44MRes, which is NOT worth 2300 gold instead of a survivability item.

The serious decision as to if you should get the guise + boots or Void alone is based SOLEY on how much MRes the the other actually has. Since I always get banshees, and SOMETIMES get merc treads in case of an issue with CC or too much Magic Pen. If the average of their group falls below 80 MRes you want Guise + boots, if it averages OVER 80 you want void staff. (This is the basic and general area for the decision, but play style and playing safe as a carry is very important. Once you get a Catalyst buy a AP Book which can be built into either the Void staff OR the guise and after you have boots of speed + Catalyst + AP Book you can decide whether you should go for void or not. I also suggest trying to hold off on buying the boots of speed unless you need them. Selling items is not very good. =(

The entire problem with your build is that Magic Pen % is done AFTER all other magic pen is done.. So the more you stack the less effective the % is. So get one or the other but not all of them. You will need the survivability items more than the 3 full magic pen items. (Trust me) If you have questions about the math or want more information/explanation hit me up. I'm in my vent almost all the time, and available in-game or here.

Quote (Chubby @ Apr 3 2011 09:20pm)

I see no information to fix your guide on issues I have already stated.. Unless you have no idea what the optimization for annies MPen + CDR actually is?

Then you say focus CDR over AP, when in order for Annie the top to lowest of importance is MPen, CDR, AP. (Which you again have ignored in your response)

MPen for Annie is NOT situational, and should be focused first, and has mathmatically been proven to be her most important stat next to CDR.

The only situational aspect for Annies MPen is whether or not you should be getting Void or Guise + Sorc boots, or Void + Sorc Boots (which should be avoided).

Can you even tell me the math behind Annies optimized MPen for DPS based on masteries with void staff without looking at my already completed posts for it? Let me show you.

Quote (Blah58 @ Apr 3 2011 09:27pm)

I asked you to stop posting unless you have actual constructive criticism. If you want to argue with me then take it to personal messages.

magic pen is situational brah, getting a shitton of magic pen against someone who has 50 magic resist is going to do nothing helpful for you.

Not to mention I stated to get a void staff if needed, I said haunting guise isn't a late game item(aka don't keep it in yo ur final item build), and I didn't say anywhere to get sorc shoes.

Noob reading my guide:
Question: Enemy has lots of mr what do I do
~read~
~read~
Answer: It says get void staff if I need it...cool beans.

You are trying to pull shit out of the air to explain why my guide is bad, but you are just a failure.

Without any actual criticism please don't post here again, just pm me if you want to argue.

I would be glad to continue tell you that you are stupid.

Ok champ?

Quote (Chubby @ Apr 3 2011 09:32pm)

Again this kid ignores Annies key strengths which has been mathmatically proven. He has no idea how to actually utilize a optimized Annie build and just runs his mouth like he knows something that I don't.

Magic Pen also goes into a negative value and doesn't just hit 0, and is expenential into the negative value kiddo. So if they have 50 MRes and you have 55 Magic Pen they now have -5 MRes which will inversely increase your overall damage.

Holy shit you just proved to me you don't actually know what you're talking about.