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May 11 2020 11:34am
Quote (theInfestation @ May 11 2020 01:32pm)
I think one tricking is worth it. It's even more worth if you play one champion, a simpler champion that you know already. Lux, Annie, Garen etc. Stuff with point and clicks are usually great because you simply cant miss and can focus on alot of the macro game instead of your champion abilities. Learning how to last hit, freeze, control waves and manipulate them, when to back, how to gank if ur a jungler or how to farm if powerfarm champ like shyvana, things just become much more clear when you aren't looking up builds or itemizations mid match / looking into abilities for min max.

I've noticed a huge win rate on my main jungler this season, warwick im holding like a 85% win rate on him over 20 -25 games and other champs im not familiar with are no where near it. I think that you can legit climb and learn the most just by playing what u enjoy, and having 1-2 champions only. IF they get taken its worth to dodge.


^^^^ this 1000000000000% "Learning how to last hit, freeze, control waves and manipulate them, when to back, how to gank if ur a jungler or how to farm if powerfarm champ like shyvana, things just become much more clear when you aren't looking up builds or itemizations mid match / looking into abilities for min max."

This post was edited by jewellian on May 11 2020 11:36am
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Yeah, the main thing with ekko w/ult is similar to Ryze ult - Sometimes you don't actually use the ult for it's 'main' purpose, and instead you use it to zone and/or force the enemy to go a certain direction

It sounds like Kat or Ekko would be best for you, possibly both like others are saying - Another great option would be LeBlanc if you like her. I love her mobility. She can roam easily, she can get out of ganks easily, she can burst and she's got a huge skill ceiling.

E/ But again like others are saying - You need to learn the game to improve as a one trick too, its not all about the champ. Wave management is huuuge

This post was edited by Soroush on May 11 2020 11:38am
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May 11 2020 11:44am
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Yeah, the main thing with ekko w/ult is similar to Ryze ult - Sometimes you don't actually use the ult for it's 'main' purpose, and instead you use it to zone and/or force the enemy to go a certain direction

It sounds like Kat or Ekko would be best for you, possibly both like others are saying - Another great option would be LeBlanc if you like her. I love her mobility. She can roam easily, she can get out of ganks easily, she can burst and she's got a huge skill ceiling.

E/ But again like others are saying - You need to learn the game to improve as a one trick too, its not all about the champ. Wave management is huuuge


I've only tried leblanc in aram and she was fun, haha. Heard her laning phase is terrible though.

Yes I understand, I will be improving my game mechanics as well as the champs too.

It looks like the win con for Kat is snowball and win before 25 mins. I can only "go in" once enemy cc is used.

Maybe Zed/Ekko combo is better...
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I've only tried leblanc in aram and she was fun, haha. Heard her laning phase is terrible though.

Yes I understand, I will be improving my game mechanics as well as the champs too.

It looks like the win con for Kat is snowball and win before 25 mins. I can only "go in" once enemy cc is used.

Maybe Zed/Ekko combo is better...


It's not fun, but in a lot of matchups its the same for Kat.

She can still do well later, but I'd much prefer to have an Ekko on my team if the game is running late. I've seen a massively fed Kat get shit on late game very easily.

But none of this really matters if you love playing Kat because you are not going to want to one trick something you don't love. It's a lot of repetitive hours put in to a game that can easily drive you mad.

So despite what I would want to choose (which is kind of my point) you should probably just keep trying to improve on Kat ! Maybe Ekko as your second pick, because like I said he can really go anywhere

nn fg btw

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May 11 2020 12:30pm
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May 11 2020 12:45pm
Teemo support
needs to shroom, so already there to ward, can be done when low on gold/exp

Heimer
So many builds to try!
like qwadra spell effects
or tank
and always, fast

Sion, pretty powerfull!
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May 11 2020 01:16pm
Viable for low elo like Iron - S3, will be difficult after that. You'll evetually need to focus on team comp depending on the lane you're in, especially if you main a support role. While Support Zilean or AP Sona can carry you out of the depths of bronze, you'll get smacked in gold if you continue to get countered or go AP when what you really need is a healer or engage.
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May 11 2020 01:29pm
My thoughts on one tricking.
I personally am a fan of doing it.

I used to play around 40-50% of my games on one champ from seasons 1-5.
Ive swapped between mid to adc quite often, and found that I prefer playing control mages mid just because its similar to playstyle of an adc.

I dont really play on my main anymore but when I boost, I find playing a very small number of champs helps me focus.
EG. Laning
How you play out laning will vary depending on your mid matchup/jung priority/side lane pressure etc.
Trade patterns, champ matchups, wave management, power spikes, item timings, win condition are all important things to consider. Constantly going from one champ to another may overwhelm you with information.
Comfort picks exist for a reason. Not everyone going to be able to play thousand of games a season, your likely not going to be as well practiced on certain champs.

Primarily when I boost I play like 3 champs depending on clients pool.
I slightly tweak my playstyle from game to game, but I actively try and maintain good cs numbers and deaths, and just play off enemy's mistakes.



Constantly consider risk/reward, and figure out ways to maximize your champs strengths.
EG: If your playing for split push, you might run a build that has a bit more waveclear, double lifesteal, heavy damage build etc.


Quote (dark-diabla @ May 11 2020 09:19am)
So to sum it up, will One tricking Katarina be a good idea? Or will I always feel like I should have spent my time on a less mechanically intense champ. Will I say to myself "Even though I put 100 hours into Kat (matches and practice tool) someone that occasionally picks Diana will always outclass what I can do on Kat. Playing Kat/Yas/Zed is a handicap, not a way to be 'better'"?


Honestly really doesn't matter what you play.
Yes meta champs will have balances that make them more/less effective, however champ familiarity can make up for this.
Unless its a very niche pick, alot of the game concepts still apply for similar champs anyways.

People will always have champs they have an affinity towards. Play to your strengths as a player.
Do you like animation canceling? Riven, lucian, ezreal etc..
Are you really good at skill shots? Xerath etc (eg f your constantly missing your skillshot (q) as a zed player, it doesnt really make sense to be playing the champ over something like kat/yasuo/talon)
Do you like playing macro side lanes? Kass, TF etc


Ive played veigar and ori from like season 3 to now.
I dont play nearly as much as before but I feel like i can always pull out veigardaddy and do pretty well even when im rusty from extended breaks.
I definitely wouldnt call veigardaddy a mechanically intensive champ.

This post was edited by potentate on May 11 2020 01:45pm
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May 11 2020 04:43pm
I think strict OTP'ing is bad for a couple of reasons:

-Your champion may become popular and you won't be able to pick it every time
-Only a fraction of the champion pool can be flexed, so you're SOL if you get your secondary or filled
-After a certain level you start losing games because of counters, scaling, limitations of your champ, etc.

My suggestion is to have a main for your primary role, then learn 2-3 other champions to a competent level for your two main roles - either similar to your main for easing the learning curve or with different win conditions so you can counter/complement comps. Then have 1-2 picks for each of the other roles. Have at least 1 flex pick ready - it can be your main too.

And make your picks based on your playstyle, it's easier to learn the game that way and you'll have more fun. Once you have a better understanding of the game you can start picking up meta champions with relatively little effort.
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May 11 2020 05:29pm
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(I made a thread while ago re Champs, but it looks like I didn't ask my question in a clear manner)
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I played league a long time ago, but stopped at level 30 or so around season 2?

I played a bit more since then and also played 50 games of annie mid on a new account to learn mid macro.

I am more of an FPS guy (global in csgo, planning on playing valorant as well), but I want to play league with friends and not be dead weight.

My current pool for each lane is flexible, but I want to one-trick a champ for my main solo q role (mid). See below for my champ pool.

I really enjoy certain champs (Katarina, Zed, Yasuo, Talon), and I think it has to do with the following:
*If you are an annie main, I'm sorry*
1. Low cool downs, so that there is always "something" to do in a team fight instead of auto attacking
2. Requires mechanics to perform well, instead of just point and click annie
3. I know as I get better at the specific champ, my mechanical growth will allow me to perform better than someone (of equal skill) playing on a low mechanically intensive champ (again, like annie)
4. Highly mobile champs
5. Lots of room for skill expression (i.e. abundantly clear when you are playing against a OTP Zed with 1k hours vs a regular midlaner that plays Zed occasionally...compared to a OTP Annie with 1k hours vs a regular midlaner that plays Annie occasionally)

Lately, I have particularly liked Katarina more, since she seems more team-fight oriented than Zed, more reliable to play as (low ban rate) compared to Zed/Yas, and more fun than Talon.

Plus with the new dagger nerfs, maybe learning Katarina now is better since she will VERY rarely get banned if at all.

So to sum it up, will One tricking Katarina be a good idea? Or will I always feel like I should have spent my time on a less mechanically intense champ. Will I say to myself "Even though I put 100 hours into Kat (matches and practice tool) someone that occasionally picks Diana will always outclass what I can do on Kat. Playing Kat/Yas/Zed is a handicap, not a way to be 'better'"?

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I typically queue mid/top
If I get mid, I play my One trick
If my one trick is banned, I play annie/ekko/syndra.

If I get top, I play wukong/renekton.

If I get JG, I play wukong/ekko.

If I get supp, I play Blitz/leona.

If I get adc, I can pick up ashe/caitlyn.


You will learn all the nuances of your kit. This is a huge part in becoming a one trick pony. The fact that you will learn every aspect of a champion's kit will not only help your own play but also understand other champions. Rather than focusing on your champion’s kit, you can focus on how your kit interacts with other champions. I think this is the biggest benefit when thinking about mastering one single champion. You won’t have to worry about the limits of your champion but instead you can optimally play to your strengths.

You will get better at understanding different matchups. You also learn them more quickly, since one half of the matchup (yours) will remain constant. Depending on your role, most of your opponents will be meta picks. You may see the same opponent champion multiple times in your ranked experience. Because you have full mastery on your champion, your kit should be second nature which will allow you to pay attention to your opponent. For example, when playing Ahri, you should understand her entire kit, including her E (Charm), no longer stops dashes. Small nuances like this are important because it affects the way you understand champion interactions.
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