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Apr 24 2020 07:21am
i play a lot of teemo top
i can litteraly do the same game job * spit draw pressure away from obj* if im 2-10 or 10-2..
makes no diff..,
will the game grade me diff?
yes
will my team flame me for being 2-10?
yes
do any of them understand how or why they won the game?
debatable
if it takes 2-3 man to get teemo to stop splitting * in a per world i get away see them comming from all the traps i have on the map* move 1 screen away and go invs and let them wast time...
does riot want me to play like this?
probly not
does this play style work?
yes leave 50% the tiime lol....
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Apr 24 2020 12:12pm
I get an s every game I play.





Or maybe it’s a c-?
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Apr 24 2020 04:19pm
Quote (Greater @ Apr 24 2020 02:12pm)
I get an s every game I play.





Or maybe it’s a c-?


Can vouch one of these grades
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Apr 24 2020 11:47pm
Quote (CrUeLSS @ Apr 25 2020 01:21am)
i play a lot of teemo top
i can litteraly do the same game job * spit draw pressure away from obj* if im 2-10 or 10-2..
makes no diff..,
will the game grade me diff?
yes
will my team flame me for being 2-10?
yes
do any of them understand how or why they won the game?
debatable
if it takes 2-3 man to get teemo to stop splitting * in a per world i get away see them comming from all the traps i have on the map* move 1 screen away and go invs and let them wast time...
does riot want me to play like this?
probly not
does this play style work?
yes leave 50% the tiime lol....


Quote (NomadJe @ Apr 24 2020 09:52pm)
The story was about this single question : is it worse to lose the lane or to lose the game?
First case can be often spotted by stats, while the second one not.

I prefer a solid comp that can fail lane but doesn't do stupid mistakes that cost the game rather than a very good bully mate early on that doesn't understand that a single disruptive action after 30 min can actually make you lose everything you got before.

In other words : I prefer players starting C grade and rasing up to A during the game rather than players starting A grade and falling to C

Being outskilled can occur often in the same elo, being outbrained doesn't mean you are too stupid to play, it means you switched it off and don't really want to climb


There are exceptions I don't disagree proxy singed and inting sion perma pushing inhibs. But that usually a coinflip those games and heavily relies on your team mates not feeding their ass off.
Also you have to remember your kda might be horrible but you taken objectives would balance out
So the algorithm will look at the two things and see yes he is 0/10 but he has 4 towers and a rift + multiple enemy camps stolen + vision control. If you take 3-4 people from the enemy team to chase you for 5mins while your team sit on their ass watching and flaming thats a tough one. Because you probably destroyed morale even though you might be right and that cost you the game. Remember when you feed you are enabling your team to lose faster to that darius top, despite how wonderful and grand your late game macro is. So you have to be cearful with those exceptional strategies.

This post was edited by addone on Apr 24 2020 11:53pm
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Apr 25 2020 12:02am
sure lets reward idiot kda players .
so more teammates can leave you to die in a winnable fight ....

This post was edited by kappa123 on Apr 25 2020 12:03am
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Apr 25 2020 12:13am
Quote (kappa123 @ Apr 25 2020 06:02pm)
sure lets reward idiot kda players .
so more teammates can leave you to die in a winnable fight ....


goes both ways, inting players pull others into unwinnable or high risk fights which can also lose games very quickly.
This would prevent ALOT of players who think every fight is winnable. Sometimes a fight isn't worth it even if its winnable. Example teemo top over extending pushing tower. You see him and your team can Easily win the fight but is it worth it when you can secure drag and take 2 bot towers not to mention win a 4v5

Also kda is only one part of the formula. objectives, vision, damage done, etc
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Apr 25 2020 05:45am
Quote (kappa123 @ Apr 25 2020 08:02am)
sure lets reward idiot kda players .
so more teammates can leave you to die in a winnable fight ....


Yeah I imagine people thinking "Should I join this fight? Damn we losing the game already, lets save the KDA atleast and fuck the teammates" ending in a perfect comeback wasted to save 5 LP :D

This post was edited by NomadJe on Apr 25 2020 05:46am
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Apr 25 2020 04:02pm
Safe play is best play
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Quote (NomadJe @ Apr 25 2020 11:45pm)
Yeah I imagine people thinking "Should I join this fight? Damn we losing the game already, lets save the KDA atleast and fuck the teammates" ending in a perfect comeback wasted to save 5 LP :D


Some people would sure. But imagine how many more ppl would stop inting 1v5 to gain 5 LP which is usually the biggest reason games are lost.
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Apr 25 2020 07:10pm
Quote (addone @ Apr 25 2020 05:53pm)
Some people would sure. But imagine how many more ppl would stop inting 1v5 to gain 5 LP which is usually the biggest reason games are lost.


biggest reason games are lost is macro . killed 3 of them ? lets chase a 20 percent hp champ instead of taking baron/drake/tower/inhib .people think this game is about kills and its sad .
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