Quote (potentate @ Jan 22 2020 08:56pm)

99.9% of the player base won't get to that level nor will they put the time in to getting there. Yes skill gap is high, however he's bronze. So he has a ton of room to learn lol

Basic concepts aren't hard, it's the execution of it. My point is that alot of people in that elo don't consider these aspects at all and instead focus on pure mechanical outplay to win games.

Honestly a really good habit to think of is just general risk vs reward.
Is the action your taking beneficial for you?

At lower elo, can be simplified to can I push/fight?
At higher elo can be more specific. Where do I stand? What can I gain from standing here? Tracking jungler etc

Quote (NomadJe @ Jan 22 2020 12:01pm)

I know, the thing that I don't agree with is that having not the free time to master the game doesn't mean that you shouldn't be on that path.

I don't like to play a game randomly just cause I don't have the time to try to get top1.

Quote (potentate @ Jan 23 2020 08:01am)

Depends on the champ u playing.

Want to play towards your strengths, and power spikes. Do you have better sustained damage? Better range adv? Can you set up ganks wells with your cc? Etc..

Generally it's not ideal being pushed in 24/7 as you generally lose priority. This can lead to shallower vision and less priority on roams and give them opportunities to set up dives.

For example.
I play a ton of losing matchup with veigardaddy. E.g., zed, fizz, lb, kass.
Wave management and mana (u can think of your mana as an hp bar as well, is the mana you are using for poke meaningful? Or is it detracting from your goal in lane) are key in these matchup.

You can set up situations in which you feel safer
1) playing under turret range where u can negate gap closers and focus on dodging skillshots. You want to be setting up areas where u can free farm or chunk effectively.
2 ) building up slow pushes. Gives you additional safety as minions will help in damaging (this can be done in alot of different ways)
a) keeping 1 minion adv
b) poking within enemy minions forcing aggro on you (can be good if you want to push waves while not autoing or using your spells on waves, however minion damage early is meaningful)
c)
3) pink wards to set up jungle ganks.
4) run some defensive setup so you can play more aggro. (E.g. seekers early, corrupting potion dark seal, time warp + biscuit, mercs vs double ap jungle mid resolve tree etc.)

There's a bit of matchup specific knowledge that I can show you regarding yasuo if that specifically was your problem though

Quote (addone @ Jan 22 2020 08:37pm)

For example i play cass vs yasuo.
Early i can harass him but his shield heals him up and after awhile i oom. His nados gives him better poke then mine.
So i end up sitting under turret after 8-10min he dives me under turret kills me and dashes back to safety. I feel like there is too much pressure to make a slight mistake and its over. While he can just dash away or make several mistakes and still be a major threat even with 100 health.
i buy pink wards but he is soo far in that if i just put one down he will take the free gold cant contest that ward.
I think what i learned harassing him early to make em think twice might give me a little room to breathe but even then.
I am still trying to figure out what my win condition on cass is as i am new to her. Its not to 10/0 in lane but maybe dps in team fights after laning.
just trying out different approaches each game

*unrelated note: tried to take magical footwear on cass and it changed it to a broken stopwatch instead. oh well tried to hax riot wp wp

Quote (addone @ Jan 23 2020 05:37am)

For example i play cass vs yasuo.
Early i can harass him but his shield heals him up and after awhile i oom. His nados gives him better poke then mine.
So i end up sitting under turret after 8-10min he dives me under turret kills me and dashes back to safety. I feel like there is too much pressure to make a slight mistake and its over. While he can just dash away or make several mistakes and still be a major threat even with 100 health.
i buy pink wards but he is soo far in that if i just put one down he will take the free gold cant contest that ward.
I think what i learned harassing him early to make em think twice might give me a little room to breathe but even then.
I am still trying to figure out what my win condition on cass is as i am new to her. Its not to 10/0 in lane but maybe dps in team fights after laning.
just trying out different approaches each game

*unrelated note: tried to take magical footwear on cass and it changed it to a broken stopwatch instead. oh well tried to hax riot wp wp

Quote (addone @ Jan 22 2020 12:34am)

Ok i watched a few games now and everyone in challenger/masters all respect the other more or less, not over extending or being too agressive managing waves last hitting.
In bronze ppl just go ham especially yasuo mid just push like there is no tomorrow basically soo agressive that sitting around my turret without a worry in the world.
I am lucky if jungle comes to gank this but i spend most of my games farming under turret and while i am getting better still not ideal.

I can play defensively and try to poke here and there but even then still dive me. Or should i go ham to retaliate?

how do i deal with this full agro play i want to turn these kinds of games around.

If anyone has some suggesting to help a bronzie would be appreciated

Quote (addone @ Jan 30 2020 04:50am)

i think i am trying to play too safe and they think they have the upper hand.

again after like 30 games later every single one of them perma shoves wave. Freezing wave/management concepts do not exist in bronze. Get to lane start auto + spam skills.

I am beginning to think freezing and management is over rated and only reserved for Masters +
Perma push = make the other person miss cs under turret + roam + poke/harass almost 0 disadvantages since the enemy jungler 90% wont gank