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May 11 2020 10:19am
(I made a thread while ago re Champs, but it looks like I didn't ask my question in a clear manner)
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I played league a long time ago, but stopped at level 30 or so around season 2?

I played a bit more since then and also played 50 games of annie mid on a new account to learn mid macro.

I am more of an FPS guy (global in csgo, planning on playing valorant as well), but I want to play league with friends and not be dead weight.

My current pool for each lane is flexible, but I want to one-trick a champ for my main solo q role (mid). See below for my champ pool.

I really enjoy certain champs (Katarina, Zed, Yasuo, Talon), and I think it has to do with the following:
*If you are an annie main, I'm sorry*
1. Low cool downs, so that there is always "something" to do in a team fight instead of auto attacking
2. Requires mechanics to perform well, instead of just point and click annie
3. I know as I get better at the specific champ, my mechanical growth will allow me to perform better than someone (of equal skill) playing on a low mechanically intensive champ (again, like annie)
4. Highly mobile champs
5. Lots of room for skill expression (i.e. abundantly clear when you are playing against a OTP Zed with 1k hours vs a regular midlaner that plays Zed occasionally...compared to a OTP Annie with 1k hours vs a regular midlaner that plays Annie occasionally)

Lately, I have particularly liked Katarina more, since she seems more team-fight oriented than Zed, more reliable to play as (low ban rate) compared to Zed/Yas, and more fun than Talon.

Plus with the new dagger nerfs, maybe learning Katarina now is better since she will VERY rarely get banned if at all.

So to sum it up, will One tricking Katarina be a good idea? Or will I always feel like I should have spent my time on a less mechanically intense champ. Will I say to myself "Even though I put 100 hours into Kat (matches and practice tool) someone that occasionally picks Diana will always outclass what I can do on Kat. Playing Kat/Yas/Zed is a handicap, not a way to be 'better'"?

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I typically queue mid/top
If I get mid, I play my One trick
If my one trick is banned, I play annie/ekko/syndra.

If I get top, I play wukong/renekton.

If I get JG, I play wukong/ekko.

If I get supp, I play Blitz/leona.

If I get adc, I can pick up ashe/caitlyn.
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May 11 2020 10:45am
Here are some free thoughts.

One trick Ekko.. he is mobile, uses skills and not autos, mid lane pref but can be moved to top lane and is also a very strong jungler. By one tricking him, you're essentially able to play 3 of 5 roles, while also playing the type of champ you seem to like. Ekko also has a get out of jail free ultimate.

If you stick with Kat, you really should be dodging all games that you dont get to play her mid, bc that is her only viable role. Nothing wrong with this, in fact, probably makes you more of a 1 trick by learning all mid lane matchups and focusing on that only.

Dont choose your 1 trick based on patch nerfs. Pick it by what fits your playstyle bc that is what will keep you enjoying the game.
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May 11 2020 10:47am
it is the best option to grind but it gets boring fairly quickly imo

as i said before, I'd rather be gold and play 5-10 different champs than being plat one tricking
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May 11 2020 11:03am
Quote (Killer_Stride @ May 11 2020 09:45am)
Here are some free thoughts.

One trick Ekko.. he is mobile, uses skills and not autos, mid lane pref but can be moved to top lane and is also a very strong jungler. By one tricking him, you're essentially able to play 3 of 5 roles, while also playing the type of champ you seem to like. Ekko also has a get out of jail free ultimate.

If you stick with Kat, you really should be dodging all games that you dont get to play her mid, bc that is her only viable role. Nothing wrong with this, in fact, probably makes you more of a 1 trick by learning all mid lane matchups and focusing on that only.

Dont choose your 1 trick based on patch nerfs. Pick it by what fits your playstyle bc that is what will keep you enjoying the game.


Ekko
Pros: mobile, suvivability, able to turn around a team fight with a W, even if he loses lane, he can turn it around with W, able to play 3/5 lanes
Cons: I feel like he has a high ban rate and he seems to get picked more often than not. Hard to OTP him. Also, I know I am not fully experienced with him, but I kinda felt like he will get boring in 50 games.
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May 11 2020 11:17am
I think the first thing you need to cover is what your goal is - do you just want to get really good at one champion so that you can have a great time stomping noobs with that champ, and showing off when you get hard countered, but you're still able to win since you're the One Trick God?

Or do you want to try to get as high of a rank as possible?

Because it's very, very unlikely that you're going to be able to one trick to a high rank, simply because you don't have years experience in league (based on your post) like some of these guys who one trick high elo, and it really does take a LOT of hours to do that.

The reason I say all this is because it kind of determines what kind of champ you should one trick. One tricking Kat can be really fun, I LOVE Kat and despite what a lot of people say (facesmash ur keyboard and win lololnub) I think she actually has a really high ceiling for amazing outplaying.

BUT - She has a ton of counters and there are going to be a lot of games you simply can't carry - Hard CC is a complete counter to Kat sometimes and you know how it goes with teams these days.

Another thing to note about one tricking is that the meta changes - you have to be completely prepare for your one trick champion to be nerfed, and pooped on by the meta shift next season - Are you going to be okay with one tricking kat if next year they nerf tenacity, buff hard CC and tanks? Because that doesn't sound fun as Kat to me - or any of the other champs you listed TBH.

LMK if you still think one tricking is for you - if you really are doing it just to have fun (who has fun on league anymore lol) then it might be completely possible and I'll help you try to choose a champ :) We actually seem to have a very similar champ pool B)
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May 11 2020 11:20am
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To answer your question quickly: Yes, you should main Kat if you enjoy her! Dont be scared of a high skill champ, once you learn her its that same high skill cap that will progress you further and faster then most.
When you shouldnt: if your still learning the game, learning how to play kat efficiently can be hard...Shes a champ that will tunnel vision you so hard that the time spent learning her will greatly stun your game progression.

Alright so when it comes to league, one tricker's will always have the advantage. League is a easy game in concept but to be good you must learn to juggle all the different aspects of the game while doing your job. A One tricker's job is to become so efficient on a champ that playing that champ takes almost zero attention; that means you can Cs easily, you know your damage/limit's, and you can combo your moves without thinking about it. Once you get good enough on a champ, your attention shifts off the champ and onto the game! As a Plat player i like to think i can pick up any champ i want and kick ass and most of the time i can, but when i play these champ i spend 90% of my attention on my abilities and 10% attention on the game. Playing champs out of your comfort zone forces you to tunnel vision and not spend enough time scanning the minimap, checking timers, looking for rotating, ect..... I always say it "a bronze player is a gold player who doesnt look at his mini map"

As for counter pick's there isnt much you can do except ban who you know is a pain to deal with. Play safe/ rotate to other lanes for your kills/ or ask for a lane swap.
For 50FG we can sit down and watch a replay together (previous league match) and we can talk about the different things that are happening and how/why the match ended/ what you could have done to change it.
Watch/talking to higher elo players is honestly the best way to improve besides watching videos.

This post was edited by jewellian on May 11 2020 11:48am
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May 11 2020 11:20am
Quote (Soroush @ May 11 2020 10:17am)
I think the first thing you need to cover is what your goal is - do you just want to get really good at one champion so that you can have a great time stomping noobs with that champ, and showing off when you get hard countered, but you're still able to win since you're the One Trick God?

Or do you want to try to get as high of a rank as possible?

Because it's very, very unlikely that you're going to be able to one trick to a high rank, simply because you don't have years experience in league (based on your post) like some of these guys who one trick high elo, and it really does take a LOT of hours to do that.

The reason I say all this is because it kind of determines what kind of champ you should one trick. One tricking Kat can be really fun, I LOVE Kat and despite what a lot of people say (facesmash ur keyboard and win lololnub) I think she actually has a really high ceiling for amazing outplaying.

BUT - She has a ton of counters and there are going to be a lot of games you simply can't carry - Hard CC is a complete counter to Kat sometimes and you know how it goes with teams these days.

Another thing to note about one tricking is that the meta changes - you have to be completely prepare for your one trick champion to be nerfed, and pooped on by the meta shift next season - Are you going to be okay with one tricking kat if next year they nerf tenacity, buff hard CC and tanks? Because that doesn't sound fun as Kat to me - or any of the other champs you listed TBH.

LMK if you still think one tricking is for you - if you really are doing it just to have fun (who has fun on league anymore lol) then it might be completely possible and I'll help you try to choose a champ :) We actually seem to have a very similar champ pool B)


"do you just want to get really good at one champion so that you can have a great time stomping noobs with that champ, and showing off when you get hard countered, but you're still able to win since you're the One Trick God?"

Yes, absolutely. If I cared about rank I think I would just play 1000 more annie games to fully learn macro and then play meta champs. But that sounds so boring to me!

Please help me pick a champ then!
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Quote (dark-diabla @ 11 May 2020 13:20)
"do you just want to get really good at one champion so that you can have a great time stomping noobs with that champ, and showing off when you get hard countered, but you're still able to win since you're the One Trick God?"

Yes, absolutely. If I cared about rank I think I would just play 1000 more annie games to fully learn macro and then play meta champs. But that sounds so boring to me!

Please help me pick a champ then!


Okay perfect, because that's usually the only reason to one trick.. but I see a lot of players looking at Yassuo, Chase or PinkWard and thinking they will climb by getting good at a single champ - not true!

One more question before I decide what to suggest, do you prefer a champ that can play in multiple lanes/roles or are you okay with playing off-champ AND off-role when you get banned and/or autofilled?

For example - Ekko is just as fun as Kat IMO with just as high a skill ceiling (See Dopa, who doesn't skill his ult at level 6 because he doesn't want his enemy to see the trail of where he will end up when he ults, instead he skills his ult AS he goes in for the fight, surprising his enemy with the location of his ult)

And ekko can be played mid, top, jg, even bot if you want to.

Whereas with Kat you're a lot more limited, even top lane would be a little bit tougher than mid since you're likely to be paired up with a tank RN
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May 11 2020 11:32am
I think one tricking is worth it. It's even more worth if you play one champion, a simpler champion that you know already. Lux, Annie, Garen etc. Stuff with point and clicks are usually great because you simply cant miss and can focus on alot of the macro game instead of your champion abilities. Learning how to last hit, freeze, control waves and manipulate them, when to back, how to gank if ur a jungler or how to farm if powerfarm champ like shyvana, things just become much more clear when you aren't looking up builds or itemizations mid match / looking into abilities for min max.

I've noticed a huge win rate on my main jungler this season, warwick im holding like a 85% win rate on him over 20 -25 games and other champs im not familiar with are no where near it. I think that you can legit climb and learn the most just by playing what u enjoy, and having 1-2 champions only. IF they get taken its worth to dodge.
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May 11 2020 11:33am
Quote (jewellian @ May 11 2020 10:20am)
No FG Needed
To answer your question quickly Yes, you should main Kat if you enjoy her! Dont be scared of a high skill champ, once you learn her its that same high skill cap that will progress you further and faster then most.
When you shouldnt: if your still learning the game, learning how to play kat efficiently can be hard...Shes a champ that will tunnel vision you so hard that the time spent learning her will greatly stun your game progression.

Alright so when it comes to league, one tricker's will always have the advantage. League is a easy game in concept but to be good you must learn to juggle all the different aspects of the game while doing your job. A One tricker's job is to become so efficient on a champ that playing that champ takes almost zero attention; that means you can Cs easily, you know your damage/limit's, and you can combo your moves without thinking about it. Once you get good enough on a champ, your attention shifts off the champ and onto the game! As a Plat player i like to think i can pick up any champ i want and kick ass and most of the time i can, but when i play these champ i spend 90% of my attention on my abilities and 10% attention on the game. Playing champs out of your comfort zone forces you to tunnel vision and not spend enough time scanning the minimap, checking timers, looking for rotating, ect..... I always say it "a bronze player is a gold player who doesnt look at his mini map"

As for counter pick's there isnt much you can do except ban who you know is a pain to deal with. Play safe/ rotate to other lanes for your kills/ or ask for a lane swap.
For 50FG we can sit down and watch a replay together (previous league match) and we can talk about the different things that are happening and how/why the match ended/ what you could have done to change it.
Watch/talking to higher elo players is honestly the best way to improve besides watching videos.


Ooh I'll take you up on that!

Quote (Soroush @ May 11 2020 10:24am)
Okay perfect, because that's usually the only reason to one trick.. but I see a lot of players looking at Yassuo, Chase or PinkWard and thinking they will climb by getting good at a single champ - not true!

One more question before I decide what to suggest, do you prefer a champ that can play in multiple lanes/roles or are you okay with playing off-champ AND off-role when you get banned and/or autofilled?

For example - Ekko is just as fun as Kat IMO with just as high a skill ceiling (See Dopa, who doesn't skill his ult at level 6 because he doesn't want his enemy to see the trail of where he will end up when he ults, instead he skills his ult AS he goes in for the fight, surprising his enemy with the location of his ult)

And ekko can be played mid, top, jg, even bot if you want to.

Whereas with Kat you're a lot more limited, even top lane would be a little bit tougher than mid since you're likely to be paired up with a tank RN


When I first picked up Ekko, I liked him a lot. he was very quick and high burst and tricking people with my W and ult felt great. However, it felt like, after awhile, people shouldn't get caught by his W or ult. Seemed too...'easy' to recognize?

Yea the versatility is really what made me like Ekko. I felt one tricking him makes sense since I can then perform really well on each of his lanes. But, I guess I'm worried about the high ban/pick rate.

Regardless, if Ekko or Kat (or whichever one trick main) gets banned, I would play other champs as secondaries.

I typically queue mid/top
If I get mid, I play my One trick
If my one trick is banned, I play annie (still learning malzahar and syndra).

If I get top, I play wukong/renekton.

If I get JG, I play wukong/ekko.

If I get supp, I play Blitz/leona.

If I get adc, I can pick up ashe/caitlyn.
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