and yes, 100%
most upvoted reddit video in years, for a reason.

oh it's on reddit? nice hopefully riot fixes this problem then

game's beyond fixable

games alright. I have lots of fun playing with friends and solo too

it's the weirdos who get upset and int that get annoying though

cant really fix the whole problem, because the issue is the players more than the game, but playing with friends solves that problem
though riot can start banning people for inting instead of just saying bad words

Game was dead when they started jerking off shitter streamers instead of banishing them. Now every other champ select has least one fuckhead who mimics T1, Tarzaned and other "personalities" who will int your game if you don't lay down the carpet for them.

Of course he's right.

This community is the laughing stock of the gaming world due solely to its toxicity.

oh... I thought it was because of riot's take on toxicity

dota is toxic but no one cares I guess?



would the tribunals solve this?

didn't really play when those were a thing, but I hear people talk about it a lot

This post was edited by Ramy on May 6 2020 05:37pm

For the sake of discussion i'll offer my perspective.

TL:DR =He's right and wrong, and its more nuanced than just chalking it up to be a progressively toxic community/a lazy developer.

Whats toxic for me wont be the same for my gf, for voyboy or for you.

Personally i'm numb to toxic chat, it takes a shitty day for me to get baited into a flame war in game and i know its counter productive.
I recommend to people to mute all but i've never used that function in case the person utters useful information at any given point.

Inting is a term we throw around wayy too loosely and the proof is having to discern between "soft" and "hard" int.
If Fakers team mate makes a misplay, are they soft inting?
If you get my point, its really hard to justify accusing someone of inting.
Intentionally feeding the enemy with disco nunu and having a bad game aren't even close to being similar.

Yet the loud voiced stars of the league community throw that term around so generously that it has watered down its meaning.
From Fakers perspective everyone is soft inting. Everytime he outplays his opponent they are soft inting.

For me whats toxic about this game is the ability to make multiple accounts.
Watching streamers do an iron to challenger series was cool the first time around, but it has become extremely cringe.

I lane vs an opponent 2 divisions above me either boosting or limit testing, i get smashed, games over. I've now wasted 20-30 min of my life. I've learned absolutely nothing.
I'm a support, playing lulu. This silent booster locks in Vayne. Proceeds to 1v2 the lane. Get turbo fed, smash game. I've now wasted 20-30 min of my life. I've learned absolutely nothing.
In either scenario i lose, and so does the community. It skews the actual stats of your ranked performance. It helps the few and hinders the many.

So what would be important for me is finding a way to stop elo boosting from existing and stop TFBlade or RatIRL from making their 20th gigasmurf omegalul.

Voyboy sounds a bit like he's asking for a crusade against stream snipers, and using the generally toxic as an excuse.
He's definitely passionate about the game, plays to win, but doesn't always take it as seriously as he likes to pretend.

Like most entertainers in the industry he uses the same language to describe a situations that go wrong.
"Ghosting" "Soft inting" "Hard inting"
I'm not delusional enough to believe these things don't exist. I just don't see it. To me its non existent.
So to advocate for the policing of potentially even my own gameplay makes me disagree.
I don't want to have to worry some idiot rage reporting me for "soft inting" because i had a shitty game or string of games.
Just because they have to save face in front of a large audience.



Say we had a system like overwatch in csgo, where like the old tribunal you would review cases but you review a vod of the game in question with.
I refer back to my initial point.
Whats toxic for me, just wont be the same for you.
And the fringe cases where it actually is "hard" inting, trolling, afk'ing would be obvious to anyone, sure.
But then you're gambling that guys like tommyyy will get banned just for dying a few times extra on an obscure build he's trying out.

Are we even capable of deciding what the difference is between limit testing and inting is?

Discuss.

he's specifically talking about obvious hard inting, he says ap graves ap zed etc. no one in their right mind at that high elo would pick that in an effort to win
I agree they do throw the word inting around often but that's like the word trolling, it's just something you say when someone dies
like when someone gets a nice play you say he's smurfing etc. and I don't think much deeper into it
plus to get to challenger elo you simply dont make certain mistakes anymore, and if you do I think that's when they call someone soft inting
definitely a different perspective from low elo inting though

if the hard inting is stopped wouldnt they just turn to more passive inting? yea... probably