Everyone (Shane & Seth) & Riki

Jake, thank you for your feedback, I appreciate your opinion. Please show this to Ken - I would like to hear his thoughts on the matter, yours as well Seth
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This post was edited by Darkken on Jan 20 2010 11:17am

2 questions on this.. one if you have to fight all 3 of the top three i dont see how it would really slow things down.. I havnt done ladders so i dont know i guess but i cant see it slowing people down..

Skipping people dosnt seem to me as your earning a rank its like an exploit.. I number 1 seat person can in reality bring a freind all the way to second place and then screw the second place person outa dueling the person completely to be seocnd place.. ? So if the rest of the ladder is on brakets how does it slow?

as for the 24 hour thing... and u say nobody ever break into the top.. while ya if they arnt good enough they dont break the top.. kidna the idea the 3 top people should be almsot impossible to get through.. To me it sounds like jsp made a ladder to get everyone to the top at sumpoint.. Just my ideas on it.. I still dont fully understand this but the slowness thing im sorry to me thats a lame excuses.. it seems if people wanted to they would play and try at the ladder..

Like i said i dont know i havnt seen a full ladder to understand it yet i guess.. but i dont see how if u have to go through number 2 and 3 to get to number 1 i just dont see how this would be bad or wrong?

also so in essence if you lose a duel you then gota beat a second person to keep your rank sum1 that did nothing? im just curious how this works

Im not trying to start shit i just want to fully understand y people use this rules..

This post was edited by Grimdayz on Jan 20 2010 11:24am

Wait, I can't duel Yazz for 3 days?


-.- Groovy.

Do you realize how slow and tedious climbing a ladder one rank at a time would be? (even at ranks 1-3)
It is already an issue with scheduling and what not as it is.

It is in no way screwing the people that get jumped over.
Issue challenges and move forward yourself.
It is no ones fault but your own if you are not active on the ladder.
It is a non-issue because everyone can do this.

With the proposed rule change it will cause a tremendous backup at rank 3.
A huge one. All the way from #3-1.
It will also prevent rank 2 and 1 from defending rank often.

Ladders have been around for a long time and the rules have been slowly tweaked to allow for speedier ladders with oppurtunities for the less experienced to advance and maybe get shots at the #1 some day.
You are 100% right about the 24 hour thing.
It is there to prevent holdups and it allows lower ranks to get a fair shot.
Works beautifully.

The single rank advancement would be a huge step backwards in making these ladders enjoyable.

Bottom line is....

Be active.
The rules apply to everyone, so all is fair.
If you get leapfrogged you can always do the same to others
The 24 hour loss penalty keeps the ladder flowing. Without it, the top of the ladders very rarely change due to the same 3-4 people being in an endless challenge loop.

Wish you'de stick it out and see man

This post was edited by Ashikaga on Jan 20 2010 11:35am

This is one rule that imo could be removed now that we have a 24 hour rule.
I'm feeling ya here.

Ok i see you r points.. and voro uve stated some interesting things.. instead of saying its hot it is uve acualy used examples...

Ash im curious though

You say there will be a back up or slowing and people need to be active for the ladder to be active... im saying a nomral ladder system to me if people where active would probly work fine.. but people as a whole are generaly to lazy to have to fight in a order with some patience as i was reminded we all need to have., I understand the need to keep this fun and they partialy y i removed myself.. BUT really the ladders basicly say today this newb is number 1 becuase he sneaked through the cracks.. i dont see this being a effective system.. as for it being tweaked over time and w/e to be the best it can.. it surly fails and many ive talked to are starting to argee.. the rules might be fair the aspect everyone has to follow them but as a general fairness to whoever makes it to the top... i think not it lacks a lot.


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Ok if E fights C and wins they switch...

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now E can be chalenged.. so theres no prob the top 3 are still open.. C can no so G would yes have to wait a whole of 12 hours to get his cahnce and C.. this does not seem like a huge deal.. i looking at the ladders see that sumties there are days before duels or ladder changes... so really is the delay going to be that drastic??

Now lets say at the same time B called out A and won.. Now A nd B switch places and A cant be challanged for 12 hours.. so theres a 12 hour at max period where the ladder cant change(the top ranks)... this in no way prevents anyone from advancing that much.. you gota wait untill the AM or that night to duel heres where patience would come in..


I understand this is how jsp has done things.. but sumtiems changes is good.. do you have any ideas ash about changing the current rules maybe an update that might benfit the DT ik barb ladder? I understand if u want to keep with the old ways.. but it looks like change is near... help me understand this to maybe make the ladders even more fair..

This post was edited by Grimdayz on Jan 20 2010 12:22pm

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Could opeing up to challengeing 3 up (as i see many ladders do) with the top 3 rule that might give freedem if the eprson above u is stuck on a 12 hour wait ther would be 2 others to challange..

What you are not realizing that this has been done before and it would be a change backwards
This has all been done before and changed to the way it is now.
The backup would be huge because scheduling is already an issue. I can promise you that a single advancement method will only add to the problem.

A #1 that is not deserving of a #1 will not be #1 for long.
There is no easy way short of using the dodge rule to slip through the cracks.
And if by some chance it does happen, it is short lived.

You admitted yourself that you have very little experience on the ladders.
The rules have been refined by a lot of people over a few years.
It works fine man. Just need to give it a try.

You dueled twice, quit and now want many months of refining rules to change to methods that lead the system backwards.
Like Tony and I said...
Give it time to see how it works.
It's never been an issue before

12 hours isn't long enough penalty either imo.
24 hours is good because of peoples time zone diferences etc...
It is supposed to be a penalty and a chance to let others advance. 12 is too short for this.

Tony's west ladder and the east bvb ladders are the most successful for good reason.

This post was edited by Ashikaga on Jan 20 2010 12:38pm