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Quote (farki @ Oct 7 2012 05:12pm)
én meg végigcsináltam az SS-t (1.5x testsúly guggantásig eljutottam vele "könnyen"), s tudtam minden edzésnapon guggolni


de nem tudhattál ez lehetetlen, hiszen 1 hét kell egy izomcsoportnak a regenerálódáshoz!
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Quote (farki @ 7 Oct 2012 15:49)
tények kutatásokkal alátámasztva + egyéb hasznos info
párat külön kiemeltem, amiről múltkor "vita" volt


    ======================================================================================
    DIET
    ======================================================================================
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    Meal timing doesn't matter
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11319656
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1905998
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15085170
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8399092
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8383639
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21123467
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985
    >http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/meal-frequency-and-energy-balance-research-review.html
   
    Protein post-workout can help (contradicting articles)
    >http://www.phoenixbarbell.com/PDF_Files/060809C.pdf
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21045172
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15570142
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11984302
    >http://www.sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html

    But not much if it does (ie don't worry about it much)
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19478342
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106243
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21289204
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21613572
   
    Fat won't make you fat, and will raise sex hormone levels
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15621063
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8942407
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14666150
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6538617
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6298507
   
    Eating loads of protein is generally fine
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21722409
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9841962
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16174292
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10722779
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16174292
    But could potentially be harmful
   
    Protein intake ~2g per kg BW
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9841962
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6390614
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19927027
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15640518
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22150425
    >http://www.sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html
   
    Protein helps lose fat & fills you up
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19179060
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18469287
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14557793
   
    Focus on g of protein, not % of your total kcal from protein
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18448177
   
    Vegetables are good for you
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20234038
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7494680
   
    Eat traditional, healthy food
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19366466
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15699220
   
    Weight gain/loss is calorific deficit/surplus only, method doesn't matter
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18173383
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18025815
    >http://madcow.hostzi.com/Topics/Diet.htm
    >http://examine.com/faq/what-should-i-eat-for-weight-loss.html
   
  Don't bother with keto
    >http://www.ajcn.org/content/83/5/1055.long
    >http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/ketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-have-no-metabolic-advantage-over-nonketogenic-low-carbohydrate-diets-research-review.html
    >http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/289/14/1837.abstract

    Contradicting evidence (keto may help)
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16476868
    >http://www.ajcn.org/content/24/3/290.abstract
   
    GI doesn't matter(glikémiás index)
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16629877
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19602827
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17923862
    >http://www.alanaragon.com/elements-challenging-the-validity-of-the-glycemic-index.html
   
    Don't worry about insulin
    >http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
   
    Saturated fat and cholesterol aren't bad
    >http://www.askscooby.com/nutrition-39/the-truth-about-saturated-fat/
    >http://chriskresser.com/5-reasons-not-to-worry-about-your-cholesterol-numbers
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    How to calculate calories you burn each day
    >http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/womens-fitness-female-bodybuilding-training/better-bmi-calculator-katch-mcardle-formula-665955.html
   
    ======================================================================================
    SUPPLEMENTS
    ======================================================================================
    ======================================================================================
    ======================================================================================
   
    Most supplements are shit
    >http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/an-objective-comparison-of-chocolate-milk-and-surge-recovery.html
   
    Creatine can increase strength, power, mass, endurance a bit
    >http://www.sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19033611
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11740307
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12560406
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14685870
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19130643
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11828245
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17312085
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17685691
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15707376
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12501003
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12701815
   
    After ~12 weeks creatine effects start to wear off
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15263100
   
    ======================================================================================
    EXERCISE
    ======================================================================================
    ======================================================================================
    ======================================================================================
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    GENERAL PRINCIPLES
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    Lift fast for better strength gains
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16177617
   
    Multiple sets give more hypertrophy/strength gains, optimal ~3
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20300012
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971985
   
    Shorter rests don't help muscle gains
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19077743
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095405
   
    Rest of ~3-5min best for strength gains
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19691365
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16686570
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18076244
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15705039
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17194236
   
    Train at ~60% 1RM ~3 days/week, ~4 sets. As you get better do more sets at higher %1RM
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16287373
    Untrained              60% RM, 3d/w, 4 sets
    Recreationall trained  80% RM, 2d/w, 4 sets
    Athletes                85% RM, 2d/w, 8 sets
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12618576
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15142003
   
    Lifting causes hypertrophy in all muscle fibres
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2311599
   
    Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy limited
    >http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/nonfunctionalmyth.html
    >http://madcow.hostzi.com/Topics/Training_Primer.htm#Types_of_Hypertrophy:
   
    Low reps for good hypertrophy & strength gains, esp as beginner
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12436270
   
    Get stronger to get bigger
    >http://madcow.hostzi.com/Topics/Training_Primer.htm#Training_and_Size_vs._Strength:
    >http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/strengthvssize.html
   
    More volume is not always better
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095427
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16503695
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19237506
   
    Lifting helps fat loss
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20847892
    >http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/3/566.long
    More than cardio
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10204826
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12808225
    >http://www.jacn.org/content/18/2/115/T2.expansion.html
   
    Progression is what matters
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19204579
    >http://www.sportsci.org/encyc/adaptex/adaptex.html
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15064596
   
    Free weights better than smith machine
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20093960
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19855308
   
    Don't do hundreds of variations of each movement
    >http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/exercisevariety.html
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    SPECIFICS
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    Squat better than leg press
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11528346
   
    Smith squat higher, smith bench lower than with free weights
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15705030
   
    Incline bench doesn't work upper chest
    >http://www.daveywaveyfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Effects-of-Variations-of-the-Bench-Press-Exercise-on-the-EMG-Activity-of-Five-Shoulder-Muscles.pdf
   
    Targetting upper/lower abs impossible
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8976314
   
    Higher bodyfat leads to worse muscle gains
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21139562
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530988
   
    Lifting on an unstable surface is retarded, dangerous and ineffective
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18296960
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20072068
    >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_sense
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20300023
   
    Work through DOMS
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12617692
   
    No spot reduction
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21804427
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17596787
   
    Cardio helps recovery
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19258659
   
    Don't bother with HIIT
    >http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/stead-state-versus-intervals-finally-a-conclusion.html
    >http://www.burnthefat.com/high_intensity_interval_training.html
    >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18379212
   
    Exericse has similar positive benefits at all ages
    >https://physsportsmed.org/doi/10.3810/psm.2011.09.1933
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    GOOD PROGRAMS
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    Books to read:
    >Starting Strength
    >Practical Programming
    >5/3/1
    >Vertical Jump Bible (plyometric training)
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    BEGINNER
   
    Starting strength
    >http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ:The_Program
   
    Pendlay Beginner articles (oly stuff)
    >http://www.pendlay.com/Pendlay-Beginner-Articles_ep_57-1.html
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    INTERMEDIATE
   
    Madcow Linear
    >http://madcow.hostzi.com/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm
   
    Texas Method (read Practical Programming)
    >http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/The_Texas_Method
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    ADVANCED
   
    Smolov Jr
    >wkak.net/SmolovFAQ.htm
    >http://joshmahony.com/weights/smolov_jr.php
   
    5/3/1 (read the book)
    >http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112382761&page=1
   
    Madcow Periodised
    >http://madcow.hostzi.com/5x5_Program/Periodized_5x5.htm
   
    Smolov Squat Cycle
    >wkak.net/SmolovFAQ.htm
    >http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/weight-training-weight-lifting/bill-starrs-5-x-5-program-variation-per-madcow2-thanx-so-here-k-up-now-375215-11.html#post4610310
   
    Chinese Weightlifting System (just an example of advanced oly programming)
    >http://lifthard.com/category/chinese-weightlifting-system/
   
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    FORM
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    Squat
    >http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL23A020CC700DBB56
   
    Press
    >http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF218033AD30BF68C
   
    Bench
    >http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC2E70D6A580B8D13
   
    Deadlift
    >http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFDF214CE2E5A07E9
   
    Power Clean
    >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDxK_8iX__U
    >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHi-yn_tR5M
    >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fUzVq5CfNI
    >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssEvAIEfkHs
    >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSm8XMlo198
    >http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2B713736B5896A91
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    OTHER STUFF
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
   
    Fitness intro
    >http://www.4chanfit.wikia.com/wiki/Harsh's_Worksheet_(WIP)
   
    Injury stuff
    >http://www.startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Injuries
   
    Lots of nice articles
    >http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/index.html


kossz ez kellett nekem
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Oct 7 2012 10:48am
szedtem le /fit/ infopackot
tele van hasznos információkkal


még Roids mappa is van :angry:
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szedtem le /fit/ infopackot
tele van hasznos információkkal
http://i.imgur.com/k3ewp.png

még Roids mappa is van  :angry:


elküldöd nekem valahogy, vagy felrakod valahova? érdekelne
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Quote (RRC @ 7 Oct 2012 18:00)
elküldöd nekem valahogy, vagy felrakod valahova? érdekelne


http://www.mediafire.com/?5ptn6g588e5ae5h
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thx
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Oct 7 2012 11:35am
kérdésem bizonytalan, de mégis felteszem:

napi háromszor ettem... nem mozogtam, fogytam.
most napi kétszer eszem... edzek, jön fel anyag.

hogy van ez?

az elsőnél, szinte biztos vagyok benne, hogy több kalóriát vittem be, mint a második esetben. csak egyszerűen kiszartam.
pedig a kőbevésett, aranyozott kalóriatöbbletem megvolt.
persze, mivel nem számoltam ebben biztos nem lehetek, de nem változtattam az ételek minőségén, típusán, mennyiségén...
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Quote (TassassinHc @ 7 Oct 2012 18:35)
kérdésem bizonytalan, de mégis felteszem:

napi háromszor ettem... nem mozogtam, fogytam.
most napi kétszer eszem... edzek, jön fel anyag.

hogy van ez?

az elsőnél, szinte biztos vagyok benne, hogy több kalóriát vittem be, mint a második esetben. csak egyszerűen kiszartam.
pedig a kőbevésett, aranyozott kalóriatöbbletem megvolt.
persze, mivel nem számoltam ebben biztos nem lehetek, de nem változtattam az ételek minőségén, típusán, mennyiségén...


több folyadékot ittál és ne mérd naponta a súlyod
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IFBB világbajnokság 5. hely
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Quote (farki @ 7 Oct 2012 19:43)
több folyadékot ittál és ne mérd naponta a súlyod


nem és nem.

most oda figyelek arra, hogy megigyak napi 2,5-3-4 litert.
kb 1 litert ittam meg akkoriban. ki is voltam száradva.

nem a naponta súlymérés a lényeg.
69 kg voltam, tavaly júniusban
62 áprilisban
most 71,5 vagyok



értem a kalória többlet / deficit elvét...
(csak a példa kedvéért = a számok teljesen fiktívek lesznek)
nyugalmi állapot: 2000 kalóriát éget el a test / nap
edzés nap: 3000 kalória / nap
energiabevitel: mind a kettő esetben 3000 kalória.

nyugalmi állapotban nem biztos, hogy a testednek lesz +1000 kalória többlete, mert egyszerűen a bejövőt másképpen használja fel, kiszarja, etc.

míg edzés-időszak alatt beépíti rendesen.

/véletlenül sem akarok okoskodni, csak azt próbálom megtudni, hogy szerintetek tényleg puszta matek? vagy van benne némi fiziológia is?/
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