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Mar 9 2011 06:44am
Quote (josheide @ 9 Mar 2011 13:43)
Mi az hogy edit, új postot mindennek.


amíg nem volt meg neki a 30k addig nem is editelt :D
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Quote (josheide @ Mar 9 2011 01:40pm)
Jólvan akkor most valaki találja ki nekem, hogy mi köze Hayeknek  Keynes cheap money elméletéhez.


google segít szerintem

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    Many are urging a Keynesian boost to deficit spending to revive the economy and/or avoid double-dip recession. We assume that this is unlikely either because experience shows that the multipliers are low and the government believes the markets have no appetite for a big deficit-spending financed fiscal reflation; or because the government thinks the present crisis is not a Keynesian one induced by insufficient demand, and hence a fiscal boost could be counter-productive.

    It would also seem that quantitative easing has not had a stimulating effect on the economy. Wherever the money has gone, it is not into the real economy. A similar situation prevails in the US where, as Alan Greenspan pointed out in the Financial Times of 6 October, corporates are using the money supply to buy liquid assets rather than “real” investments.

    Consumers are also not spending but saving to deleverage, and even so consumer indebtedness is still dire. Much more deleveraging will have to be done before the negative wealth effect will vanish and spending resume.

    This is very much what Hayek’s theory leads one to expect. The crisis, he says, occurs because there has been a long run of cheap credit resulting in malinvestments, like today’s sub-prime mortgages. Expectations of lending banks change, we have a reversal of cheap credit and the boom collapses.

    Hayek’s account of crisis origins can be made consistent with Keynes’s if one takes the world economy as a whole. For Keynes the crisis is caused by an excess of saving over investment. A contemporary Keynesian would say that one part of the world, led by China, earns more than it spends, and another part, notably the US, spends more than it earns. Cheap credit in the west was the “correct” response to the flood of saving from the east. But because there were insufficient outlets for “real” investment in countries like the US that already had abundant capital, cheap money led exactly to a Hayekian crisis: a credit boom leading to malinvestments that ended in bust.

    The essential point is that both Hayekians and Keynesians believe that once the economy has collapsed, recovery takes a long time. Hayek believed that recovery from the crisis caused by over-consumption and under-saving has to run its course, and cannot be speeded up by a Keynesian fiscal or monetary stimulus. It requires time before consumers recover from their undersaving and business gains confidence that profitability has been restored. Keynesians believe that, once aggregate demand has subsided, a fiscal and monetary boost is the only way to get the economy growing again.

    If we don’t want to wait for Hayekian “natural forces”, but at the same time recognise that orthodox Keynesian fiscal policy and monetary stimulus (if it works) will only recreate the old unsound structure of production, is there a way of speeding up recovery?
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Quote (Janou @ 9 Mar 2011 17:44)
amíg nem volt meg neki a 30k addig nem is editelt :D


Szerintem 30k fölött is elfogadható a spam.
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Quote (josheide @ Mar 9 2011 01:45pm)
Szerintem 30k fölött is elfogadható a spam.


utána érik csak be az ember
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Quote (josheide @ 9 Mar 2011 13:45)
Szerintem 30k fölött is elfogadható a spam.


ma már postoltam vagy tizet, de rosszul vagyok
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Mar 9 2011 06:48am
Quote (Janou @ Mar 9 2011 01:47pm)
ma már postoltam vagy tizet, de rosszul vagyok


én 40k-nál éreztem még egy holtpontot

de most újult erővel veszem be a fórum bástyáit
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Mar 9 2011 06:48am
Quote (Janou @ 9 Mar 2011 14:47)
ma már postoltam vagy tizet, de rosszul vagyok


ne vidd túlzásba :D a végén megárt

amúgy én még editen socializálódtam kérem, anno ezért anyázás járt, ha vki mindent új postba írt :D
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Mar 9 2011 06:49am
Quote (beni @ 9 Mar 2011 17:48)
én 40k-nál éreztem még egy holtpontot

de most újult erővel veszem be a fórum bástyáit


Na majd meglátjuk ... de nekem még baromi messze van.
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Mar 9 2011 06:50am
Quote (beni @ 9 Mar 2011 13:48)
én 40k-nál éreztem még egy holtpontot

de most újult erővel veszem be a fórum bástyáit


most ez eléggé szenvedés nekem, de azért értékelem a segítségedet
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Quote (josheide @ 9 Mar 2011 14:49)
Na majd meglátjuk ... de nekem még baromi messze van.


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én régen 25 ppd felett voltam.. mostanra kiveszett a tűz :((

This post was edited by ReDEyeS on Mar 9 2011 06:51am
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