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Aug 2 2012 09:17am
Quote (TassassinHc @ Aug 2 2012 03:53pm)
védikus lehet tudományos?
illetve ami tudományos az hiteles-e?
mitől szakmai egy publicisztika?
továbbá valóban érdekel-e a dolog és hajlandó vagy érveket elfogadni?


addig is 1-2 tény:
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Védikus lehet tudományos, amennyiben alá van támasztva. Attól, hogy sok ezer éves, még nem feltétlenül igaz. Lásd Biblia.

Például olyan publikációkra gondolok, ami szaklapokban jelenik meg. Ezek nyilván nem mind egy irányba fognak mutatni és nyilván van köztük olyan, ami módszertani hibákon alapul, de talán egy fokkal előrébb mutató ezek alapján véleményt alkotni.

Néhány példa, amit a vegetarian dietre első oldalon kidob a pubmed.

1.
OBJECTIVE: The present study investigated associations between vegetarian diet and mental disorders.

RESULTS:
Vegetarians displayed elevated prevalence rates for depressive disorders, anxiety disorders and somatoform disorders. Due to the matching procedure, the findings cannot be explained by socio-demographic characteristics of vegetarians (e.g. higher rates of females, predominant residency in urban areas, high proportion of singles). The analysis of the respective ages at adoption of a vegetarian diet and onset of a mental disorder showed that the onset of mental disorders tends to follow the adoption of the vegetarian diet.

2. Itt van egy, ami előnyöket és lehetséges hátrányokat is kiemel:

OBJECTIVE: To review the epidemiological evidence for vegetarian diets, low-meat dietary patterns and their association with health status in adults.

RESULTS: Both vegetarian diets and prudent diets allowing small amounts of red meat are associated with reduced risk of diseases, particularly CHD and type 2 diabetes. There is limited evidence of an association between vegetarian diets and cancer prevention. Evidence linking red meat intake, particularly processed meat, and increased risk of CHD, cancer and type 2 diabetes is convincing and provides indirect support for consumption of a plant-based diet.

CONCLUSIONS: The health benefits of vegetarian diets are not unique. Prudent plant-based dietary patterns which also allow small intakes of red meat, fish and dairy products have demonstrated significant improvements in health status as well. At this time an optimal dietary intake for health status is unknown. Plant-based diets contain a host of food and nutrients known to have independent health benefits. While vegetarian diets have not shown any adverse effects on health, restrictive and monotonous vegetarian diets may result in nutrient deficiencies with deleterious effects on health. For this reason, appropriate advice is important to ensure a vegetarian diet is nutritionally adequate especially for vulnerable groups.


Másrészt a kép szándékos ferdítésen alapul. A csimpánznak sincs karma, mégis eszik húst. Panda növényevő, mégis hegyes a foga.

Quote (TassassinHc @ Aug 2 2012 03:53pm)
mennyi időt megspóroltál volna mindenkinek, ha pár hete válaszolsz a kérdésemre... :(


Melyikre?

This post was edited by beni on Aug 2 2012 09:18am
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vércsoport diétát próbálta valaki?
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Védikus lehet tudományos, amennyiben alá van támasztva. Attól, hogy sok ezer éves, még nem feltétlenül igaz. Lásd Biblia.

Például olyan publikációkra gondolok, ami szaklapokban jelenik meg. Ezek nyilván nem mind egy irányba fognak mutatni és nyilván van köztük olyan, ami módszertani hibákon alapul, de talán egy fokkal előrébb mutató ezek alapján véleményt alkotni.

Néhány példa, amit a vegetarian dietre első oldalon kidob a pubmed.

1.
OBJECTIVE: The present study investigated associations between vegetarian diet and mental disorders.

RESULTS:
Vegetarians displayed elevated prevalence rates for depressive disorders, anxiety disorders and somatoform disorders. Due to the matching procedure, the findings cannot be explained by socio-demographic characteristics of vegetarians (e.g. higher rates of females, predominant residency in urban areas, high proportion of singles). The analysis of the respective ages at adoption of a vegetarian diet and onset of a mental disorder showed that the onset of mental disorders tends to follow the adoption of the vegetarian diet.

2. Itt van egy, ami előnyöket és lehetséges hátrányokat is kiemel:

OBJECTIVE: To review the epidemiological evidence for vegetarian diets, low-meat dietary patterns and their association with health status in adults.

RESULTS: Both vegetarian diets and prudent diets allowing small amounts of red meat are associated with reduced risk of diseases, particularly CHD and type 2 diabetes. There is limited evidence of an association between vegetarian diets and cancer prevention. Evidence linking red meat intake, particularly processed meat, and increased risk of CHD, cancer and type 2 diabetes is convincing and provides indirect support for consumption of a plant-based diet.

CONCLUSIONS: The health benefits of vegetarian diets are not unique. Prudent plant-based dietary patterns which also allow small intakes of red meat, fish and dairy products have demonstrated significant improvements in health status as well. At this time an optimal dietary intake for health status is unknown. Plant-based diets contain a host of food and nutrients known to have independent health benefits. While vegetarian diets have not shown any adverse effects on health, restrictive and monotonous vegetarian diets may result in nutrient deficiencies with deleterious effects on health. For this reason, appropriate advice is important to ensure a vegetarian diet is nutritionally adequate especially for vulnerable groups.


Másrészt a kép szándékos ferdítésen alapul. A csimpánznak sincs karma, mégis eszik húst. Panda növényevő, mégis hegyes a foga.



Melyikre?


hogy ebedelsz-e vele

inb4 a hulyeseged: a nem az nem valasz

This post was edited by Taszilo.^ on Aug 2 2012 09:20am
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Aug 2 2012 09:21am
Quote (Akizk @ Aug 2 2012 05:18pm)
vércsoport diétát próbálta valaki?


y, de mikor ab-s vért kellett inni mindig elhánytam magam
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Aug 2 2012 09:22am
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Melyikre?


amit pm-ben tettem fel.

mint azt egy-két topiccal arrébb ki lett emelve, az angoltudásommal nem kardoskodom, így érdemben a bemásolt részekhez nem tudok hozzászólni.
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Aug 2 2012 09:32am
Valaki lojje mar le
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Aug 2 2012 09:33am
Quote (My_Acc_Is_Bazur @ 2 Aug 2012 17:32)
Valaki lojje mar le


es a legtobb ember senee miatt sirt aki meg vicces is volt neha
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Quote (GoreKnight9 @ Aug 2 2012 04:33pm)
es a legtobb ember senee miatt sirt aki meg vicces is volt neha


Poor senee. 8~( Hol lehet vajon?!
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Aug 2 2012 09:39am
Quote (My_Acc_Is_Bazur @ 2 Aug 2012 17:32)
Valaki lojje mar le


aztán meg kiírná valaki, hogy
-1 ribanc.
nn...

Quote (GoreKnight9 @ 2 Aug 2012 17:33)
es a legtobb ember senee miatt sirt aki meg vicces is volt neha


bezzeg itt vagy te, aki a hülyeségét félszavakkal, tőmondatokkal és gif-ekkel fejezi ki.
semmi több.
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Aug 2 2012 09:41am
Quote (TassassinHc @ 2 Aug 2012 17:39)
aztán meg kiírná valaki, hogy
-1 ribanc.
nn...



bezzeg itt vagy te, aki a hülyeségét félszavakkal, tőmondatokkal és gif-ekkel fejezi ki.
semmi több.


isten hozott a subon
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