In the past when I first started posting here I would usually make tldr posts or replies
I kinda gave up posting after I stopped caring for the game but I still check this forum every now and then.
I decided it's time I wrote an essay for all of u esses here

anyway let's get to it! In my mind there were a few major changes that made the game worst
-first one is making hon free to play which invited all the lowbies, retards and idiots into the game
-second was mmr compression and making games +/-5 mmr which really gives no incentive to win

Another big problem now is skill level of players which can be the same ranging anywhere from 1400 to 1700
Too many people throw or troll games these days and sometimes u cant even tell if they are bad, trolling or just dont care about outcome
The big skill dispersion took away the reason to try and win games because there is very little difference in games ranging 1400-1700 so people feel no point in gaining or losing mmr

There are many scenarios that happen on a regular basis that result in the ruining of games, some of them are
-dual mid, kid requests mid but other kid wants it for himself and they are both too stubborn and they go together which in 90% of cases ends up in a thrown game
-people that have forest heroes, some are bad or some don't gank enough or at all and thus not only they lose potential gold/xp but the solo guy gets completely shut down as well
-warding, some teams do get wards and control map+runes and ganks and if the other team doenst have any support its probably a lost cause
-people raging at each other on lanes or mid rages cause no wards, people feeding getting ganked or failing lanes, u name it! it generally results in team losing interest for the game and losing

All of the above usually applies to solo queuing and ofc if u do play with at least a friend or 2 u drastically increase ur chance to win even if the players are average because at least u get a good setup and people play their roles proper so u dont end up with 5 carries or 2 mids or no support etc....

For my part I kinda gave up on the game so now I wont really care of the outcome aka winning/losing but I do have a mindset for winning when I play. Let me elaborate on that.
Every time I play I start by wanting to win but there are elements that will make me not give a shit about the game and those are created by other players. If I'm bothered I will try and help out people with advice or ganks but mostly trying to keep a positive attitude even if things go wrong early game. If I do see there is no hope or cases of obvious trolling or feeding and whatnot I will straight up give up on the said game but I won't say or do anything incriminating cause no1 wants a ban right? Basically u just let the game play in it's current state, hope for a 15 min cc and move on.

Now I will move on to the section on how I play hon and there are only a few ways to do it from my pov
-go mid with a dominant hero or a ganker which has very strong early to mid game presence
-if I cant go mid, I will try to pick a jungler or a carry but if my lane partner ruins my lasthits or doesnt support me proper I will most likely go woods as soon as I can effectively farm there
-i don't ever play support unless i queue with other people or if i see a potentially good player in team
also a tip on that, try to ignore stats for the most part because they don't mean much, if a kid with low stats plays carry or wants mid at least give him the benefit of the doubt. He might actually do good and i've seen many cases on people with bad stats that completely dominated the game. If i see people that are at least trying to the best of their ability instead of blaming others or blaming setup or whatever else, I will try and help them out anyway I can. This is basically what it comes down to in solo queuing games: ATTITUDE! Teams with ragers mad kids and noobs I kinda abandon hope straight off the bat because I do not care for the constant bickering and winning the game in most cases wont make up for having to put up with the bs from said people which kills any fun that there is to be had.

Sadly as stated above, many games get ruined simply because of attitudes of the kids playing. Here's an example: u go mid and completely shut down their mid and his farm, u go help out lanes and setup ganks and yet people still do not ward or carries fail to farm proper. In this case u do wanna win but u feel as if u r playing alone because nobody else is really doing anything. Ofc u do wanna keep playing good initially as u see u r doing great but everybody has a threshold and if u do see u really are playing by urself or that team has no chemistry or support u eventually give up.

So in conclusion for me hon still is fun to play and I usually play with a friend but even when I solo queue as stated above going mid/carry or woods to avoid any possible tantrum with other players can have a good outcome. I do this because I have no more will to try and put up with other people so I try to avoid it altogether also I admit I am spiteful and if people troll or grieve me I will most likely throw the game. Bottom line is, if u solo queue play to win initially, have a good attitude don't get involved in flames and try to have fun even if u lose. U can also have fun by trolling urself, throwing random remarks at ur mid if he dies 'nice mid fail, or feeder mid' or if u happen to get owned mid blame supports for not warding, if u play carry and cant farm blame ur lane partner for not harassing and so on etc. The main point is that in hon it's never ur fault u always have to blame team or other people, because we all know you yourself are an awesome player right and when u end up losing its because other people are dragging u down!

someone say if this is worth reading
I'm not sure about such a post by pitbulol

You can win solo pubs by:

-being good
-ignoring chat completely
-playing mid carry/semi-carry every game
-focusing on farm above all else, only tping or coming to teamfights when its likely to be profitable

its a no troll post, my personal views on the game so if u care read if not gg no re



in theory yes that's true u cud prolly get 1700-1800 with about 60% winrate maybe higher if u really r skilled

i would like to see what stats a good player can get by solo queuing until he hits 1800
some (including me) like to make tryhards lose so if i see a 10-0 acc it willmost likely be 10-1 after my game

People who would rather troll than win a game blow my fucking mind. Those are also the same kids who, 5 minutes before trolling a game, wonder "wow why am I still in the 1500s?"
They don't understand how detrimental to everyone it is when they won't just trying to reason with people. When you act like a douche, the person you acted poorly toward is likely to repeat the cycle and thus begin a vicious cycle.
Playing a game like HoN just to fuck around is so retarded. It's not even fun when you're trolling (besides the occasional roop), all you're doing is wasting your own time as well as others'.

Also, why do these people still exist?
- People who right click their heroes, don't pick, and then end up randoming b/c someone else gets the hero
- People who do not show their picks at all and end up with some retarded jungle hero
- People who expect the team to pick around their shitty ass pick 30 seconds before picking stage ends
- People who buy 1 ward

I hit 1750 with about 100 games played. Approx 75-25, all solo queue.

1-i avoid playing all pick altogether because some who play it already have a certain hero that they wanna play and it can end up in fighting over mid or lanes
2-u can get trolled if u show pick, seen many people steal others pick just to troll them or because they think said player isnt good enough to play that hero
3-i hate that too 'why should i pick x if u picked y'
4-1 ward is better than no wards, what i hate most tho is people who dont buy wards at start but start warding at 10+ min or later after we already lost rune and map control



nice u must have queued us and if u have good stats people concede mid to u and play support which is nice
i never tried to reset stats because my fear of trolls really is high, ive had people destroy my items on courier or teamkilling me many times
(s2 allowed whole team to control items on courier which really is retarded, if u buy tps health potions on courier watch out)

on a side not eu players are generally more stubborn and tend to pick/play worst and more selfish than us
sadly i cant really stand the lag on us servers to play there-also us players usually have voice on which helps alot

Voice def. helps a lot. I really believe that the biggest issue with 1600 players not being able to stay in the 1700 bracket is their inability to accept responsibility. Every player in 1600 thinks they play perfectly. Every player in 1700 knows that they make mistakes, and when they make mistakes. Being able to recognize small/big problems and mistakes is HUGE. That is the biggest difference between the two brackets.

i covered this section in my first post, some 1500's are better than 1700's and viceversa
to me most games ranging from 1500-1700 are the same

yup yup, they are all easy

other than that, +1 to ectasy
I still didn't read OP, sorry about that