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Aug 2 2012 04:54am
Just out of curiosity, I guess they require the same things, map awareness and stuff, except RTS's also needing high skill in microing?
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Aug 2 2012 05:25am
Dunno, about the same I would say.
Moba games probably need more knowledge while rts games need more practice. Tho I would say it's easier to get into rts games than into moba games.
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Aug 2 2012 05:29am
Quote (The_Darkness_II @ 2 Aug 2012 13:25)
Dunno, about the same I would say.
Moba games probably need more knowledge while rts games need more practice. Tho I would say it's easier to get into rts games than into moba games.


yes, the game you play is very complex and you are highly intelligent and skilled person because you are so pro at your game.
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Aug 2 2012 08:07am
Quote (The_Darkness_II @ 2 Aug 2012 13:25)
Dunno, about the same I would say.
Moba games probably need more knowledge while rts games need more practice. Tho I would say it's easier to get into rts games than into moba games.


Don't underestimate the knowledge required to play RTS games. When it comes to competitive play, I'd say that for example, SC2 requires alot more knowledge than HoN does.
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Aug 2 2012 08:13am
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Don't underestimate the knowledge required to play RTS games. When it comes to competitive play, I'd say that for example, SC2 requires alot more knowledge than HoN does.


yea, no
sc2 only requires speed and multitasking
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Aug 2 2012 08:22am
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yes, the game you play is very complex and you are highly intelligent and skilled person because you are so pro at your game.


no idea what you are trying to tell me
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Aug 2 2012 08:31am
Quote (Pitbulul @ 2 Aug 2012 16:13)
yea, no
sc2 only requires speed and multitasking


Then you're in for a great surprise.
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Aug 2 2012 09:03am
Depends on how you define skill.

MOBA's require teamwork, so being a good teammate who doesn't piss others off could be a skill. Does being a good leader and drafter count as skill? How much do those count for a skill rating?

I'd still say RTS require more skill though. Microing 1 unit vs multiple units and a base is much harder to do. Also there are people like N0tail who became a top HoN player in the matter of 6 months. I don't think that has happened in the SC2 circuit? Allegedly N0tail had no dota experience.

This post was edited by prickster on Aug 2 2012 09:04am
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Depends on how you define skill.

MOBA's require teamwork, so being a good teammate who doesn't piss others off could be a skill. Does being a good leader and drafter count as skill? How much do those count for a skill rating?

I'd still say RTS require more skill though. Microing 1 unit vs multiple units and a base is much harder to do. Also there are people like N0tail who became a top HoN player in the matter of 6 months. I don't think that has happened in the SC2 circuit? Allegedly N0tail had no dota experience.


The only way people become top SC2 players in 6 months is if they've had previous RTS experience. That means they've played competitive SCBW or WC3. A LOT of sc2 pros come from SCBW and arguably the best WC3 player, Grubby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Schenkhuizen for his achievements), is struggling somewhere in the middle of the competitive player pool. I think the reason he's holding on is because of his insane micro due to WC3 experience.

On the other hand, our very own Minigun007 (http://forums.d2jsp.org/user.php?i=220059) is playing for Complexity as Col.Minigun. He's had basically no RTS experience and became a masters player in about 6-8 months IIRC and got signed by ROOT. He achieved this by winning about 2k games (I'd say he's played around 3500 at least). So yeah, it IS possible to start at the lower end of the competitive scene without RTS experience but I wouldn't say it's possible to compete at the highest level (Code A/Code S).
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Aug 3 2012 11:34am
RTS.. especially if you compare something like SC2 to HoN
The amount of skill, knowledge and mechanical fluidity needed to excel at sc2 is ridiculous
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