ya lol gg had a similar game was pm vs gladi mid i had gg farm went: shroud-steam-shrunken-null(cuz they had pyro, ws behe and slit)-thunderclaw and whispering
ofc my team kept crying whole game and wanted to cc cuz they got owned at start but i was freefarming+had alch at like 9 min so farmed gg in jung as well

also i'm wondering different viable builds on pm i always go shroud+shrunken this game in particular got shrunken before shroud obv can savage mace be better then thunder?
or perhaps shielbreaker in some cases? if i play turtle pm and jump in with shroud after some1 initiates u dont really need lifeleech
also some1 said that thunder and passive crit cannot trigger at the same time is this true? not that it makes a that big of a difference u still get 4 attacks between crits to trigger so still gg imo

with puppet you go raw physical dps
and as i say with any range carry, shrunken head is for pussies ( ss is an exception since he is in the middle of the fight )


savage mace always>>>>> charged hammer
was about to finish of my build with

daemonic
wingbow

shitload of attackspeed
high hp pool
symbol of rage makes you hard to kill if you dont run in like a fucking idiot
shroud is awesome for dps, surviveability, and ofc picking off heroes,
high armor
evasion
ministun

pretty much the best offensive build you can go on puppet while still being able to hold your ground in fight

its fun to go pure dps lol, i do that on hag too sometimes.

steamboots/bottle/power supply

sheepstick / hellflower / harkons / riftshards

fun as hell when u crit for 800 and 3 hit their carry

i usually do emo hag with

steamboots
hellflower
whispering helm
savage mace
daemonic
wingbow


wingbow for the fucking wing

cooliest item ever

I get killed most of the time I set them up.
Does steambath do damage to self?
I swear I always lose health while in there, but maybe it's just some DoT than someone has.

steambath doesnt do damage to you

but basically

1 surge
2 steambath
3 surge
4 steambath
5 surge
6 ulti
7 surge
8 steambath
9 steambath
10 stats
11 ulti
12-15 stats
you dont need your passive since it's pretty much shit

as far as itembuild

early game all you need is

striders
bottle
powersupply
homecomming stone

if you're doing your work right you will have these items + pk
at around the time you're level 6-11 if it's any slower you either had a really bad game or you're doing it wrong

playing magmus decent is quite easy but playing him higher than decent can be a bit tricky oh well
practice makes perfect

wingbow is nowhere near as useful as on any agi carry but shrunken is really needed imo specially in my last game where they had pyro-ws-behe as u cant just stay back and watch till they all use their shit
also what about shieldbreaker? i guess all in all anything can work u just gotta adapt to what ure up against

also what u said on hag cud to almost any hero

http://www.dotallyrad.com/2011/06/07/sponsored-team-sk-gaming-is-crumbling-apart-after-tralfamadore-leaves/

thoughts on this?

That's pretty much the same build I do, except I get blood Chalice instead of powersupply.
What's "bottle"?

Nvm, I know now.

This post was edited by sicklad on Jun 8 2011 03:23am

about the hag part thats true but she have good mobility and with the hellflower you just jump in solo kill 1 and then you're in a 5vs4 advantage
and with that 5vs4 advnatage you can do so much to further increase your lead, take towers, get wards up, get kongor, even force a fight where you go in with an advantage