If you want to do really well in SNGs you need to learn ICM and watch some HUSNG videos.

Making money in online poker is no longer as easy as it was 5-6 years ago. You have to be dedicated and in it for the long haul if you really want to profit. Also, you need a sample size of around 2,000 SNGs before you can even begin to estimate your true ROI%.

u evaded my question tho

Play lower ofc, it's going to be harder the higher you go.

and more tables? how many is it average
also paying attention to betting patterns is kinda pointless as i saw since it takes usually 30-45 min per STT
cant really get the game out of the muck and can barely get to see some hands and when iits do mostly all ins

You decide for yourself how many tables. Depends what's comfortable for you. I used to 6-table sngs, many people I know 12+ table. If you're starting off it's best to keep tables low and focus on making the best decisions possible.

And most sngs will come to all ins as blinds increase. You have to know what hands are good to push/call. Google Poker ICM for more info.

This tool is also really good once you get below 6 bb or so.

http://www.holdemresources.net/h/web-calculators/nashicm.html

i have the general knowledge when it comes to odds i used to play live and did ok

ICM is alot different than odds. It's an algorithm that estimates what your chips are worth in $, then helps you decide whether a certain move is good or not.

For example consider the following scenario in a 6-max sit n go where top 2 get paid and 3rd gets nothing.


Blinds 100/200
Player1 (button): 2500 chips
Player2 (sb): 700 chips
You (bb): 2500 chips

You have AK.

Player1 goes all in. He probably does this with alot of hands (say top 40%) to try to steal the blinds.

Player 2 folds.

Against P1's hands you have on average 65% equity:



So odds say you should call.


Correct play is to fold though. You risk your entire stack to knock him out even though Player2 has very few chips and is way less likely to make the money than you. If you lose you go home with nothing. Thus, waiting for P2 to be knocked out is safer and overall more profitable. Furthermore even if you win the all-in you still don't win the tournament. P2 still has chips and still has a small chance of winning, so you aren't guaranteed the first place prize.


Proof:



This post was edited by EA7 on Jul 17 2014 07:18am

yeh i done that yesterday too, was forced to keep folding hands i would normally play so i can make the money cuz a guy on low chips was playing super tight waiting for others to get knocked out
thing is there are hands u cannot get away from sometimes
example: u get pocket kings and u obv raise blinds+antes in the pot are 300 and u got 1k
u do a min of 300 raise and when u do u are kinda already committed but u dont go all in like a donkey u wait the flop (some might get priced in if u do all in and will just gamble if they got big stacks)
now it comes like j-6-3 rainbow or even 2 of same suit, pretty safe pot but u could get a guy who flops trips or a flush draw or mby in different flop open end straight
in this situation i can't really fold and i seen a guy get busted like this yesterday in a 300$ tournament i specced

anyway what i wanted to come down to is at smaller stakes some people are just playing for fun or to kill time
some do really stupid moves and even if u do play good u might get drawned out on
basically the question is can anybody who has decent knowledge and patience(rly important imo) be sucesful at poker? probably not
i could bet even pros could lose in online against rands though they probably would be better than most, but hey i guess thats the beauty of the game

Of course you can be successful with decent knowledge. You can't really complain that people make stupid moves. That's where you make money. If they get it in bad and draw out on you it's a good thing. They gave you an opportunity to get it in good and that's all you can really ask for. Over a long period of time if you keep getting it in good of course you'll be successful.

These are my results at 10NL 6-max on Pokerstars. As you can see it took me a very long time to learn (like 100k hands) but once you get the hang of it there's plenty to be made. It's almost impossible to make 110 buy-ins purely by dumb luck, so clearly there is some skill involved. I faced a ton of suck outs during these hands but in the end the fish lost their money and I made money. Of course, I got quite lucky and sucked out myself a few times which is why I'm over EV.

well im definitely gonna try, most of all i need to work on my patience level
once i can accept that and the fact that i will have to grind it out like a robot then mby i can get something