YAY OLD ENGINEER TURRET! HOW WONDERFUL AND COMPLETELY BALANCED!

i can't help but laugh at that but also at people who spend money on coins for whatever reason
can't remember the exact moment when hon started to die but i guess overall it was a slow process and each step brings it closer to its downfall
it might have been when they made the game free as a desperate measure to increase its player base but even before there were changes here and there that pissed off many people

the 'accept' thing this week was another good example of s2 failing to test or realize how dumb it was
in a community full of trolls it should have been obvious that many games would have failed to start due to people not clicking
queues got longer, games kept failing and in about 2 days and after 20 pages of complaints on forum they actually reverted it

LOL that second link was A+

Funnily enough I think it started to die around the time they made it f2p. This may seem counterintuitive but

1) You DON'T make a game pay to play THEN switch to free2play + microtransactions AFTER you've collected all the money from release. By doing this I think HoN pissed of it's loyal customers so much they either just stopped spending money or quit altogether.

2) Allowing free accounts made it so people could smurf for free. You have no idea how many kids who thought they were hot shit would pay thousands of $$ on resets + sub accounts to smurf. With f2p, you could get verified and smurf that way. Sure, it used to be limited hero pool etc., but you could still stomp baddies and you could now do it without forking over $20.

3) The extra traffic that came in after the game was f2p was mostly LoL kiddies that had heard of the game and wanted to just casually try it. With the community being so shit, these guys probably got flamed into the ground before they even got verified. That probably discouraged them from really spending too much on the game if it wasn't enjoyable. On top of that, S2 advertises so shittily (i.e. not at all) that new players don't come around that easily.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure S2 has done pretty well financially. They used every trick in the book to squeeze money out of people and it worked to an extent because people are stupid. But, if they looked at the big picture I think they could have done alot better long-term.

By the way, anyone else think S2 skimped on the lawyer fees when they got sued for porting Dota heroes? They didn't really break any law since they weren't direct copies and they were just using a concept, not the exact same name/model/etc. Seems like they hired a lawyer off the street to represent them for cheap or something.

@smack, agree with some points u made

banning is retarded in hon, i was afk 1-2 min on phone once at a tower while a teamfight took place and all my team died
result? people got mad and reported me and i had a week ban (idk how the system works but i was banned before)
people generally cannot pause and now when i gotta afk i just say in chat i gotta go for 1 min if u wanna pause do it
(i do this because in case i get reported i can hold my grounds and have an excuse for going afk)
not only does this annoy and make people mad but they will most likely switch to other accounts or make f2p and troll and ruin more games

dw and mk r not real issues if u counter them proper (said many many times that salforis can shit on mk with ease)
throwing hatchet and stout shield are pretty common on melees and i don't mind this change as it balances the field so that pretty much anybody can go mid vs anybody
hag ss and bubbles and others u mentioned can still outfarm a melee once they get to higher level but they will no longer dominate them early game which is ok (fair game mid)
hag and bub and dr for instance also have rune advantage over mostly all
i wouldnt want a melee mid vs a ranged that can just sit in my face and harass or even kill me if i try to get a single CK
also in hon hag's ult applies ur Q to the targets it hits so if u max that instead of scream u can do nice ganks (not to mention harassing enemy mid off the lane)
i do think that this brings more variety in hon and although most people already have a mind set of what they want to play (specifically in AP, if u r smart and wait u can generally counter pick them hard)

community wise as this is one of the biggest problems hon has with the trolls and noobs i can say that i've seen some in dota2 now as well
in my last 5 games i've had 2 of them that were abandoned by a noob player going mid (once like last week a guy picked ss went mid failed and left and the other was actually yesterday with that pro wannabe ursa who ragequit on us)
what can u do in a scenario like this? noob calls mid just as game starts... u can either hope he will do ok and leave it to chance or u can contest it but that will usually end up bad anyway and will generally result in 2 people going mid as nobody is willing to back down and would rather just fuck the game (this is also a very well known scenario in hon)
with that said valve must be real careful in how to deal with these scenarios and people cause some that come from hon and switch to dota will bring their flames and negativity towards others and the more people do it the more it will spread and will be as common as it is in hon

randomly stumbled upon this vid

ROFL TROLL RAMP

If you guys hates HoN so much what about stfu and play Dota2? Not hard

this is gold ^^

We are playing dota2, but we also like to bash on this game. Problem?