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Apr 3 2012 10:49am
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You really need to stop posting in the HoN forum as you don't know what you're talking about, you're more ignorant than rowe and iffy combined. If you look at the top two tiers of HoN heroes (based on being picked/banned in hon tournaments) you'll see that 3 out of the 14 heroes are S2 heroes.

http://www.gamereplays.org/heroesofnewerth/portals.php?show=page&name=hon-hero-tier-list-march-2012


clearly you're just an icefrog dick chugger, who is biased since you played war3 dota when you were young and impressionable

yes dog kaiser sucks dick, but icefrog isn't that great either


I wrote this early in the morning, perhaps I wasn't clear in my point. I wasn't referring to high tier matches. Those are completely different and not representative of general public gameplay. What I meant is that Dota2 is just alot more serious than HoN in any level of play. Things that seem natural in HoN like rooping, voice chat trolling, and being a massive dick / trash-talker in general don't really fit the Dota2 atmosphere. Obviously there are going to be excpetions, but so far I've found Dota2 to be alot more mature / enjoyable / serious that HoN. The main enjoyment I've gotten out of HoN the past few years was trolling / smurfing / trash talking noobs / doing idiot tactics with friends. Without that, HoN was utterly boring and I couldn't stand to play it. Dota2 on the other hand is great if its just played normally and properly, which is one of the many reasons I conclude it to be a better game.

As for your second comment, comparing Icefrog to any S2 member or S2 as a whole is kind of rude towards Icefrog. He updated / balanced Dota from scratch for years, and even Dota1 tournaments were bigger than HoN, especially in China and shit. Obviously the game has some merit to it since Chinese sponsors were paying millions of dollars to teams and actually had personal coaches training players, etc. His ability in designing MOBAs is way better than that of anyone at S2, thats for sure, and he definitely is good at what he does.

The only potentially OP heroes I can think of at the moment are Invoker and Lycan. Invoker requires a really high skill level to use to his full potential, and is actually quite balanced or bad in the hands of an average player, now that EMP doesn't affect units in tornado. Lycan was just ported and could use some work, but any team which wards his small camp / wards AND counterwards roshan area will shut him down hard enough that he can't come back.


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i wanna get into dota 2 but like u said, solo pubbing is INSANELY boring.
i have no friends playing the game so im always alone there



We can play sometime maybe but I really prefer playing with 3 or 5 people. 2 and 4 is just an awkward number because then the pubs are allocated in a weird way.

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Things that seem natural in HoN like rooping, voice chat trolling, and being a massive dick / trash-talker in general don't really fit the Dota2 atmosphere. Obviously there are going to be excpetions, but so far I've found Dota2 to be alot more mature / enjoyable / serious that HoN.

the people that troll HoN came from dota, i don't see that mentality being removed from dota2

the game is going to be free 2 play, so there will be an influx of trolls eventually

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The main enjoyment I've gotten out of HoN the past few years was trolling / smurfing / trash talking noobs / doing idiot tactics with friends. Without that, HoN was utterly boring and I couldn't stand to play it.  Dota2 on the other hand is great if its just played normally and properly, which is one of the many reasons I conclude it to be a better game.

That just sounds like you're burned out on HoN.

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As for your second comment, comparing Icefrog to any S2 member or S2 as a whole is kind of rude towards Icefrog. He updated / balanced Dota from scratch for years, and even Dota1 tournaments were bigger than HoN, especially in China and shit. Obviously the game has some merit to it since Chinese sponsors were paying millions of dollars to teams and actually had personal coaches training players, etc. His ability in designing MOBAs is way better than that of anyone at S2, thats for sure, and he definitely is good at what he does.

I will concede that what he did with the game is more impressive than what s2 has done. But i don't really see him as some god balance designer. You probably didn't play when rexxar, obsiadian destroyer and tauren chieftan came out. There are still tiers of heroes to pick just like there are in HoN. Also China is crazy.
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the people that troll HoN came from dota, i don't see that mentality being removed from dota2

the game is going to be free 2 play, so there will be an influx of trolls eventually


That just sounds like you're burned out on HoN.


I will concede that what he did with the game is more impressive than what s2 has done. But i don't really see him as some god balance designer. You probably didn't play when rexxar, obsiadian destroyer and tauren chieftan came out. There are still tiers of heroes to pick just like there are in HoN. Also China is crazy.


every hero was broken when they first came out

base stats and base gain was always off
and people never knew how to deal with the new heroes because they never played it / played against it before
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Apr 3 2012 12:56pm
Quote (UndeadGad @ Apr 3 2012 10:49am)
every hero was broken when they first came out


not really, but if you say so
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not really, but if you say so


name some that wasnt broken
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jakiro
dirge
lanaya
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thd at first release was decent and when they made his liquid fire hit towers and slow them he was top tier push hero
dirge, cant tell if serious, the first release he was able to farm 10-15 minutes radiance without any problems aswell as being a insane pusher and the remake of him made him even more fucking broken
lanaya was always good just people not being able to play her she was so strong middle for example, could not race her to the runes because she could slow you for about 15 seconds and then just refraction>meld>hit you just lost 300 hp>2 autoattacks you now got 5% hp left and hit 1 more time and dead
dark seer, u serious again? the ultimate worked on allies which made it a broken tool for pushing, you could stack ion shell on same target 2 or even 3 times and the damage output did stack

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