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Jun 13 2012 11:13pm
1# Look minimap
2# know your spells damage output
3# calclulate situations
4# write lag if u die
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Jun 15 2012 09:11pm
Quote (prickster @ May 27 2012 06:35pm)
People here aren't good at teaching.

I'd go to project epoch first before asking people here for lessons.

http://projectepoch.com/forums/

HoN is a really complex game which will take you many many hours to master. You're going to want someone to 1v1 with to understand last hitting and lane control. You're going to want someone to spec you while playing games to give you tips, and you're going to want someone to watch replays with. That's going to take at least 5 hours (ideally 10 since you'd do 10 games worth of teaching), which isn't worth 500fg.

You could probably get a euro to spec 3-5 games with your for 500fg but I don't think that would really help you reach the competitive level.

Also you can idle in channel

d2jsp

but it's really inactive since people are playing d3 and no one likes playing with each other since we're all different skill levels and live on different continents



This player is awful at the game so by all means avoid any contact with him if you want to ever improve his baddness just plain rubs off on people hes in contact with because his stupidity is that stupid.
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Quote (sMACKTRiCKz @ May 27 2012 10:20pm)
1700 WOW

too bad even most 1800+ players have no concept of the game


If you want to learn this game ask me or smacktrickz or undeadgad but honestly i wouldnt do it for 500 fg id do it for 1kfg. this is a loooooooooot of fucking time and effort to be put into this game and quite honestly you are better off playing dota 2 now that its much more widely played and hon well its kinda dead.. in comparison to dota 2 dont get me wrong I love HoN but once it went Free to play it was pretty much a lost cause.
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can win for you 3 games a day for a week ;)
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any1 want to teach me cm?
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Heros
To start out playing hon, I would pick support heros and melee heros first. Support heros are like glacius, andro, nymph, witch slayer, and others. I personally would prefer you to start out as plague rider because of its effectiveness in the team as well as the simplicity of the hero. As for melee heros, it has an easier attack animation and better base damage for calculating last hits. Also, it has more hp so you don’t die often. Range, agility heros are the worst to start out with. I see many people pick archna and flint, thinking they can carry because of the high dps long range attacks. However, they don’t realize that it’s relatively hard to last hit in the early phase with those heros, along with the minimal hp they have. In order to have better items on range agility heros, one needs to have a good basics and foundation of last hits ni order to achieve its full potential.

Items

As for items, you want to start out with a health pot and 1 set of trees (3 cosumables) and 2x minor totem and a ward. Buying healing items are essential due to laning phase and early harass from opponents. Melee heros should buy a shield, and depending on the opponents will you decide to buy a hatchet. Too many noobs buy hatchet, shield, 1set of trees, not knowing that they wouldn’t have the chance to even last hit and get harassed by 2x range heros. Therefore, in that situation, you could buy a shield, hp bot, trees, 2x totem for survivability.

Lanes
If you are on the hellbourne, the top lane is the easy(safe) lane, and the bottom is called the suicide lane. Why? Because of the hon mechanics. In the safe lane, when the creeps meet to attach each other, they are closer to the hellbourne tower, thus decreasing the chance of hellbourne players ganked. Also, when the creeps are near your tower, you have relatively easier time last hitting. Furthermore, when opposing players are on the suicide lane, they will be more careful due to the distance to their tower. So when mid or other lane is missing, they are likely to stay back near their tower, granting you easier time of farming. Same applies to the Legion. Bottom is safe lane, and top is the suicide lane. When you are a carry(one who needs lots of farm in order to carry the game or dish out huge dps), it is preferable to go to the safe lane along with a support hero, whom will harass the opponents and deny the creeps. It is best not to attempt to outck your own teammate(the carry) since they need the creeps. If you are fighting creeps, the carry will be 1v3 in lane instead of 2v2. Also, denying is very important as it keeps the lane close to your tower. If the creeps are pushing near the opponents tower, a smart way is to stack your pulling creeps to 2x stacks, then pull the your creeps to the neutral creeps, and the lane will be taken back, and the opposing players will lose one stack of exp from the killed creeps. This part is very important. Many players do not realize that stacking and pulling benefits the lane greatly. For example, if you are on the safe lane, and the creeps are pushed to the opposing tower, they have easier farm, thus defeating the whole point of safe lane. Therefore, it is best to gain back the lane control by stacking and pulling. Many players will stand there jerking off not getting any farm for 2~3 minutes waiting for the lane to be pushed back. Instead of wasting time circling around, the support player should just stack n pull while the carry player stays in the back to absorb exp.


took me 5 mins to type it
read it if u like, tldr then so sad


Quote (RoC_HopE @ Jun 16 2012 03:14am)
If you want to learn this game ask me or smacktrickz or undeadgad but honestly i wouldnt do it for 500 fg id do it for 1kfg. this is a loooooooooot of fucking time and effort to be put into this game and quite honestly you are better off playing dota 2 now that its much more widely played and hon well its kinda dead.. in comparison to dota 2 dont get me wrong I love HoN but once it went Free to play it was pretty much a lost cause.



this guy is a 1300 player. do not ask him for anything

This post was edited by iffy1 on Jul 1 2012 10:02pm
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Quote (prickster @ May 27 2012 07:35pm)
People here aren't good at teaching.

I'd go to project epoch first before asking people here for lessons.

http://projectepoch.com/forums/

HoN is a really complex game which will take you many many hours to master. You're going to want someone to 1v1 with to understand last hitting and lane control. You're going to want someone to spec you while playing games to give you tips, and you're going to want someone to watch replays with. That's going to take at least 5 hours (ideally 10 since you'd do 10 games worth of teaching), which isn't worth 500fg.

You could probably get a euro to spec 3-5 games with your for 500fg but I don't think that would really help you reach the competitive level.

Also you can idle in channel

d2jsp

but it's really inactive since people are playing d3 and no one likes playing with each other since we're all different skill levels and live on different continents


I wouldn't recommend epoch either. The chance of you getting a good mentor there is extremely low. Every epoch mentor I've met ingame was playing bad trying to convince the team to listen to them simply because they have orange names.
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Quote (Karan2_Returned @ Jul 4 2012 01:26am)
I wouldn't recommend epoch either. The chance of you getting a good mentor there is extremely low. Every epoch mentor I've met ingame was playing bad trying to convince the team to listen to them simply because they have orange names.


the chance of you getting a good mentor here is extremely low
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