Quote (dude150 @ Aug 19 2011 03:04pm)

same here
i remember i REALLY wanted to learn invoker
i saw someone go mid and stomp and i was inspired, and then i went mid and got shit slammed, but i could just continue finding games until i got comfortable invoking spells on the spot and having preset combinations in mind

had i had a pub hon player mentality, or had dota recorded stats and i was too afraid to get slammed a few games before being able to slam kids, i wouldn't have tried to pick up what might be one of my best heroes (definitely not tho, my invoker is pretty trash in a serious game)

like one of my friends on my hon team (the one i stomp local tournaments with) always ALWAYS wants to carry when we play hon and i cannot fucking stand it
he is a 1500s skill in mid 1700s from being carried (the only player not in 1800s or 1900s), will choose FA, and will have 320 gpm being absent from any fights for 30 minutes

back in dota, he knew he was shit, and i remember his favorite hero was tidehunter
all we'd need him to do was gush on sight, and hit ravage when we could catch a good number of enemies
now he tries all this shit, doesn't suicide himself for the good of the team, and wants to carry all the time because he has a 0.62 KDR and dreams of walking out of lane+jungle freefarm with 500 gpm at 30 mins and 1 shotting everybody
but it never happens because he has no game sense, no idea how to farm efficiently, etc, etc
and he'll never learn it imo

makes many of us facepalm because the rest of us 4 are competent and can hold a shitty wannabe version of a chinese rice dota team style for a bit, but the kid can't rice

i also remember in dota when everybody wanted to play different things and the most feared teammate pick was techies
nowadays the most feared teammate picks for players are carry wannabes because they see someone who actually knows how to carry and knows how to farm go 15-0



which is exactly why nothing but a win record and rating should be recorded

Quote (dude150 @ 19 Aug 2011 09:14)

now supports buying bottle first for mid completely viable

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Quote (sMACKTRiCKz @ Aug 19 2011 10:15am)

yeah vouch

i remember i would just read guides then try the hero out. i would suck so bad the first few times. would go like 0-7 and leave, whatever. but over time i got better at the heroes until i could play them to a point where i could stomp most pub games effortlessly with them. nobody is willing to do that in HoN now. going 0-7 like 5 games in a row is a thought that scares people so much because oh no they will lose huge KDR!!!

also it seems like nobody plays just to play well anymore. they play half-assed and expect to be carried. if someone carries them, they act big and happy and talk trash in all chat, thinking they are good. if they don't get carried, they cry, blame team, rage, grief, etc. its almost like winning/losing is a flip of a coin to them. that's why they're so close to 50% winrate i would assume

when games go bad most kids just cry concede or go emo and do nothing to try to win. that's pretty much the biggest difference i would say between like 1600/1700 and 1900+ players. most 1900+ people actually try hard to play well and win, not really giving a shit about stats. it used to be that EVERYONE was like that in dota pubs / inhouses. kids would buy divine rapier and try backdooring. supports would suicide 24/7 to save carries because they didn't care about their non-existent stats, they just wanted to win.

and i totally agree with what you said about voker. i would fail with him so hard for the longest time, but now he's my favorite hero to pubstomp with, and i don't think i've lost a single pub game with him in forever. ask Ezro

Quote (Ectasy @ Aug 19 2011 10:15am)

maybe for you since you can't win mid without a huge advantage, like 3 ganks for you before level 6

Quote (dude150 @ 19 Aug 2011 09:26)

yeah, people will sell all of their items and sit in fountain
this happens in about 30% of the games that look grim

and in 50% of those instances, the game is actually in our favor but their analysis of the state of the game is so poor that they somehow think we're behind and aren't in a position to recover

i remember in dota (a shit long time ago, probably when i was rowe's age) this one game where it was so clear that we won (like 30-1x) and then the enemy team dragged the game out to 140 mins and ended it by having their leoric run in and backdoor our tree

i was so pissed, and i remember i was like "YEAH I WIN" cuz i wanted to win so badly, but that's what makes a good game
i mean i was a scrub compared to now, but i never get experiences like those anymore
like i can't even sit and play hon for an entire day, but back in junior high and high school i'd spend entire days just massing TDAs all day because every game was enjoyable




1v1 me son

Quote (dude150 @ Aug 19 2011 03:26pm)

yeah, people will sell all of their items and sit in fountain
this happens in about 30% of the games that look grim

and in 50% of those instances, the game is actually in our favor but their analysis of the state of the game is so poor that they somehow think we're behind and aren't in a position to recover

i remember in dota (a shit long time ago, probably when i was rowe's age) this one game where it was so clear that we won (like 30-1x) and then the enemy team dragged the game out to 140 mins and ended it by having their leoric run in and backdoor our tree

i was so pissed, and i remember i was like "YEAH I WIN" cuz i wanted to win so badly, but that's what makes a good game
i mean i was a scrub compared to now, but i never get experiences like those anymore
like i can't even sit and play hon for an entire day, but back in junior high and high school i'd spend entire days just massing TDAs all day because every game was enjoyable




1v1 me son

Quote (Ectasy @ Aug 19 2011 10:26am)

ok log on now or doJ

Quote (sMACKTRiCKz @ Aug 19 2011 10:27am)

yyy

i hope dota2 brings this back at least a little bit

if not i just won't game anymore. getting too old for this shit anyway if its not going to bring tremendous enjoyment like old dota did

Quote (sMACKTRiCKz @ 19 Aug 2011 09:27)

yyy

i hope dota2 brings this back at least a little bit

if not i just won't game anymore. getting too old for this shit anyway if its not going to bring tremendous enjoyment like old dota did


e: botho f u 1v1 me SF plS

Quote (dude150 @ Aug 19 2011 03:29pm)

at work son
log on in 6 hours or dodge SON



meh fuck that
i play games for my whole life son

dunno what other hobby i'd prefer, even if i were to be a casual kiddy in everything

Quote (Ectasy @ Aug 19 2011 03:30pm)

oh
we still have 1 game left in the bo3
we roll for dota or HoN? if we roll hon i can wait until your computer can play it

Quote (sMACKTRiCKz @ Aug 19 2011 10:31am)

with that way dota2 looks atm i'll probably nerd it quite a bit. will be fun to play with everyone i kenw from hon + dota as well

btw 1v1 me dota in 6 hours plS son


i dont even have an account anymore. i can play it in like a week tho once i get computer part

Quote (sMACKTRiCKz @ 19 Aug 2011 09:31)

with that way dota2 looks atm i'll probably nerd it quite a bit. will be fun to play with everyone i kenw from hon + dota as well

btw 1v1 me dota in 6 hours plS son





i dont even have an account anymore. i can play it in like a week tho once i get computer part