4:30 or even 6 is a stretch for midas, if its 1900g like in hon
if u dont get bl or at least a kill/assist it's very hard to farm it not even discussing the posibility that u might not even be able to farm due to lane setup

never liked leaving mid to a rand, my friend or i could go and if we play low tier i think i'll do ok
my friend also watches ti3, im down for a game or two after

e:lol@blood, smack i noticed has lots of binds which i guess can be motivating
people assume that u r good player then so they might play better

This post was edited by Pitbulul on Aug 8 2013 03:39pm

I don't know much about the HoN climate today since I haven't played in quite a wihle, but I can say Dota2 really isn't a game you want to solo queue in if you plan to advance into higher games and develop as a player. Once you have a basic understanding of the game and all the heroes/items, you really need to find at least 1 other like minded player to queue with. I feel like the team aspect of these games is way more important in Dota2 than it was in HoN, just because the way the heroes/map/gameplay function together makes it hard to single handedly carry a team of deadweight players. I think this is a good thing, but it makes solo pubbing much harder until you reach high enough MMR to get matched with decent players.



It's 1900g in Dota2, and it's definitely farmeable by 5 minutes. By the 5 minute mark you will have killed 9 creep waves (0:00 -> 4:30). On average let's say a creep gives 45 gold, with 4 creeps per wave in early games that's 4*45*9 =1620 gold from creeps alone. From the 1 gold you get a second you get 5 * 60 = 300 gold => 1920 gold. That doesn't even account for selling some items like branches you bought to buy the gloves of haste, any hero kills/assists you get, any additional big jungle creeps you get from a pull, or abilities like Goblin's Greed or Devour.

This post was edited by sMACKTRiCKz on Aug 8 2013 03:44pm

its doable ofc, u won't get as many ck tho but imo even 9 min is still ok and if i can manage to get before then i do it in hon else i don't
what u say depends on what lane u get, if u have to pub and lane melee vs2x range or some combo then u cant even last hit at all

down to play soon?

I'll play after I win my rares when DK beats iG.

For midas, 9 minutes is way too late for your main carry hero.That's like the timing you want if you're jungling, and even then 7-8 minutes is better. It's very doable in 5 minutes in a good lane. You don't go Midas in a lane where you can't basically freefarm or can't net early kills. If you get it by 9 minutes you delay your boots / first core item for a super long time, and by then you may already have lost the game.

By the way my math was slightly off earlier, you don't need 100% perfect CK to get it by 5. You need to get like 75% of all the creeps in your lane, which really isn't hard at all if you learn to lasthit under your tower. You get more like 47 gold per creep, so thats 47*36 = 1692 + 300 = roughly 2k gold if you hit every creep by 5 minute mark. On top of that you get 1 wagon by the 5 minute mark, which is like 75 extra gold if you last hit it. On top of that lots of the time if you random or just have good supports, you can get pooled early and start off without using all your gold, so you can save 200 or so early which really helps contribute to the Midas. Overall, 5 minutes is around the timing you should aim for in Dota. If you're getting it 7 or later as safelane carry you just should skip it. It's not an item you want to get every game, and sometimes you even want to skip it even if you could get it by 5 because you need those early game items up ASAP.

This post was edited by sMACKTRiCKz on Aug 8 2013 06:12pm

I feel vanguard is way more manageable than in HoN. Quite early vanguards on a few heroes is just stupid in terms of survivability in that game.

I really like early drums on sven because that way you can safely chase heroes for a bit and not get out of position too much.

Watched IG vs DK game 2. It was retarded to say the least. Farmfest for 98 mins. Instead of winning around 50 mins, DK chose to throw and lose at 98.

Can I join in on those games? ._.

leave steam acc and i add u

If anyone has a spare account I can use to smurf with you guys lmk. I have plenty but all are in very very high bracket already because I played with some people from there on those accounts. I cba making a new one and playing 3 hours of the tutorial before I can play matchmaking.

tbh i find some games kinda easy, we just had bad luck i guess and idk how the bracket system works so
if i queue 2 man with my friends we can stomp np and i can usually pick carry and easily get 400-500+ gpm

also wtf is up with network, the internationals seem to be really lagging everything i get dcs and errors on regular basis

now in dota2 people just get gold for witnessing stuff?
same as in hon right, i remember u said once u didnt like that in hon and now its in dota as well eh