This all seems so foreign to me now. This shit does NOT happen often in the Dota2 top 1% bracket. Valve's system is so good. They don't reveal stats, and they don't say what formula they use to calculate MMR or match people. Every game ends up being mostly stacks vs stacks, so you get good games vs. good players, or a bunch of decent pubs together who will for the most part do what's required of them. Solo queuing is still awkward because at that level of play it really is a team game, so it's much better to find a few friends you synergize with and stack with them.

For reference:

http://dotabuff.com/players/90546002/matches

Pretty much every game both teams have 1 support, 1 offlane, 1 jungle or backup support, 1 mid, 1 carry. People ward, buy courier, and work together to defend towers and shit. It's just a completely different game. It's like those 1/100 HoN games you get where everyone is good and the game is just awesome.

e: I know anyone that's tried to get started on Dota2 has a hard time since the lower brackets really are fucking awful (as in any game). The MMR system will quickly put you towards higher brackets if you perform well though. Anyone starting out can feel free to message me and I'll maybe hop on a smurf account and play a few games with you to help you through the beginning phase.

This post was edited by sMACKTRiCKz on May 21 2013 07:03pm

in dota 2 it is more likely to get people that are clueless or haven't even tried moba games before so that results in very bad games at start as you say. i have played a few of those myself and as a solo player there is nothing for me to prove in dota2. i don't even remember all heroes and their abilities (not that i know them in hon cuz s2 releases too many new heroes and i dont really bother).
in hon if you make a basic account and solo queue its bad as well but in a different way. everybody thinks they are 1900 smurf and wants to go mid while most of them are 1500 dumpsters who cant get out of that bracket so u basically end up in 2 ppl going mid (if not worse somebody with no games gets denied mid he decides to feed and ruin game). so in the end games get ruined because of the egos of bad players

im very skeptic that dota2 higher bracket is different then say 1700-1800 in hon (i havent played higher tier than this). how many times do u play support smack 1/10 or less? if u get to top tier and are placed with others who are good players will they play support? there are almost no true support players there and nobody wants to play support for randoms. in hon it is generally assumed by mmr and stats who should play what but if lowest mmr claims mid or picks carry the game might be over right there. a stack of 5 will generally have a good setup but for that u need to play with less skilled players because as i said if u get 5 ppl that can mid or carry the general consensus is that nobody will want to play support (shittiest role to play, in high tier games specifically u get no farm, u gotta ward and shit u have to baby sit somebody, u gotta go gank and sacrifice urself in teamfights and u generally get initiated on being a squishy hero with no items)

There is no public MMR in Dota2, so you can never claim "I'm highest I carry" or "You're lowest you support". And yes, EVERY pub game in the very top bracket has someone that'll bite the bullet and play support. I do it about 1/10 times as you said, and it's fine most of the time (except I'm awful at it :D). To be fair though, my MMR equivalent is like 2000 in Dota2, so maybe that's why the games are good. You still get a shitty game here and there but w/e, nothing is perfect.

e: To get out of low bracket, just do what I did:

http://dotabuff.com/players/131769284

Win every game with huge score, you'll automatically jump brackets to people who actually have played before.

This post was edited by sMACKTRiCKz on May 21 2013 08:19pm

i do agree on a certain level that higher games are better because usually people who reach them are more mature and their overall skill is good. they tend to be less fun games tho cause from my experience people play more safely and more of a farm game like u see for instance in competitive games. i havent logged dota2 in a long time but if u play these days let me know i might spec or even play although im not that bothered and only reason is i'd like to see how a high bracket game plays out there

just add smacktrix@steam

well i think i speak for everyone when i say sometimes u can get stuck in a bracket u cant get out of (mmr hell it is called)
for instance, i'm at 1083 mmr right now. every game i go like 4/5/8 but i still lose because the team is just too bad to carry. thats y u need boosting

it happens to the best of us right? u r probably 1800 player but u just get bad trolls and bad teams all the time?
im same and stuck in 1500 i play good and win few games and then i lose and keep going back and forth with -5/+5 mmr its really hard to advance

If you still dont get it. you can EASY get stuck in the 1600 bracket, I am playing 1750 because of the boost from 1680 -> 1750 and I am very comfortable there.
You can still bring together a team, this is very important in winning games since there are alot of smacktrickz who smacktalk all game long.
For your info topic starter, you told yourself getting out of the 1500 bracket can be hard even if your a 1700 player.
I dont agree on this but I can understand a 1700 player can have trouble getting out of the 1600 bracket.
Because of this, I payed CASH to give me a boost.

More fun for me, cost me 0 cash since ive earned my FG for free.

wat the fuck how did i end up here

This post was edited by Taxidermy on May 22 2013 01:00pm