hmm lycan vs warbeast

why is lycan such a top tier pick/ban in dota while not even mentioned in hon


stats wise it's the same exact hero, same stats gain, starting stats, ms you name it

skills

Q - same manacost/cd/duration ( the dota2 hero page i'm going through not showing exact stats of wolves per level ) but since everything sofar been the exact same i'm going to assume this is also the case

W (HON) - Battle Cry Effect(s) 11 / 22 / 33 / 44 Damage allied Effect(s) 4 / 8 / 12 / 16 Damage, CD 25 s, manacost 15 / 10 / 5 / 0, duration 16 sec
W (dota) - Howl Cooldown 50/45/40/35 Mana 15/20/25/30, Duration: 12, Hero Bonus Damage: 20/30/40/50, (same creep damage)
conclusion, howl is 6 more dmg, 4 sec shorter duration, cost more mana, longer CD,

E (hon) -10 / 15 / 20 / 25% Base Damage 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 Attack Speed
E (dota) - Bonus Damage: 15%/20%/25%/30% Bonus Attack Speed: 15%/20%/25%/30%
conclusion, the dota version wins hands down

R (hon) - same manacost/cd every level ( 100 100/70/40 ). Reduces base attack time from 1.7 seconds to 1.4 seconds. 16 seconds duration, hon critchance/crit dmg unknown coz cba to check
R (dota) - same manacost/cd every level ( 100 100/70/40 ) Base Attack Time: 1.5 Bonus Armor: 2 Bonus Health: 100/200/300 Duration: 18 Critical Strike Chance: 30% Critical Strike Damage: 1.7×
conclusion, dota version wins again

but does these small thing really add up enough to make it a top tier pick / ban?
NO

there are other factors aswell

Dota players ( especially chinese ) have much better micro / multitasking skills than the hon players
Dota players play him differently, instead of having him in jungle they actually put him on 1v1 on shortlane ( if they know it will be a 1v1 ) because lycan with decent micro will destroy pretty much any hero if he gets lane advantage,
Dota players also play him more aggressive and teamfight oriented, so when they hit 16 they can fight everytime ulti is off cd while in hon people go puzzlebox and cant do crap for 50 sec after the "first" lvl 16 ulti
Dota have more items that are perfect for lychan, Medallion for example, -6 target armor and yours ( i think it is,) 50% mana reg and some more nice stats for only like 1.1k, also have that new thing abyssal blade which is imo insane,
-armor works on kongor/roshan
you have smoke in dota ( lychan smokes and sneak into rosh pit as soon as he got vlads+medalion )
enemy cant see into rosh pit with just a ward at rune

also this is probably something most of you dont think about but
stormspirit (well before the mega nerfs it got) was just so good against warbeast because you can use it on allies and yourself while in dota you can only use on yourself + enemies
tablet imo is better in hon coz of the stats boost and the way you push feels more natural than force staff,
so in hon these were abit better than in dota against lycan



wondering where all this came from?
well i was bored>checked DRD>saw raven whine about lycan and i just wanted to write an essay

TL;DR
lycan>warbeast
dota mechanics aswell as items help this hero alot
dota players are mainly better

/e

i'm tired as fuck and cant sleep thats also a reason for writing this ^^

This post was edited by UndeadGad on Mar 31 2012 02:46am

Do you actually think that?

Or just when it comes to micro?

I think attack animation of both lycan + the wolves is better in dota. Also medallion + chongor being easier to kill is a huge huge factor for lycan. Final thing I think makes a huge difference is when you're in wolf form in dota, when you run up to somebody to autoattack the auto attack is almost instant when you get in range. War beast in wolf form seems to swing back for a while which makes it kind of inconvenient. These are all pretty minor but I think they all add up to lycan > war beast by alot.



Dota/Dota2 players are far better than HoN pros. They are real pros who put in hours into this game with a proper coach and shit (at least in asian scene). HoN pros are like moonmeander who just pub most of the time

both when it comes to micro and overall, hon have/had like 1 or 2 good ophelia players ( akke )
dota have/had so many good ophelia players but off the top of my head, PUPPEY





i wouldnt consider moon as a "pro" he is just a public trashcan that is always a let down when they scrim/play tourny matches
he imo got no "good" hero so there can be no respect ban forced against him

he is medicore at best

You're missing the main reason lycan>warbeast. Lycan's wolfs have a chance to bash, they crit in hon.

they do not bash

Well they used to :(. I haven't seen him in dota 2 yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oBYiJxtvkY

was some big plays here and there