6+ ck per minute is okay
7+ ck per min is pretty good
8+ ck per minute is even better
9+ ck per minute is extremely good
10+ ck per minute is the shit
11+ ck per minute well that doesnt happen that often

i did like 12 a min this one game with medusa

was CM and i was capt and i told my team to let me clear every single massive push wave

ended with like 500 ck in 40 mins

but enemy team was rly bad so it didnt even matter

what was it the chinese dusa had?

like 750 ck 50 min? or wut was the, that famous game ^^

y was at least 700 in 50

basically same thing tho, his team just let him get every creep on the map when the base was getting pushed

what are good counters to dusa in dota? i mean in hon if you wanna counter you get something like a witch or puzzlebox / nullfire, do you do same stuffs in dota or do you just picked a harder carry like morph/weaver?

well tbh there really are no harder carries than dusa in the long run (except maybe spec). as long as she survives the initial burst long enough for her team to throw down their spells she'll just split shot everyone down and win the fight. best ways to counter her are either -armor strategy or just pick an anti-mage. since mana shield = 67% of dusa's EHP pool, AM totally rapes her ability to tank properly. only problem is no good captain would let AM in pool nowadays if hes gonna pick dusa.

as for -armor tactic all you really need is like a vengeful and tidehunter as supports with some good ranged carry like weaver / drow. but still with that tactic you have to end the game before it goes 60+ mins because then dusa will just get like bfly / heart / skadi / manta / treads / AC or Shivas and you won't be able to do shit anyway

This post was edited by sMACKTRiCKz on Sep 1 2011 10:49am

oh yeah forgot about AM

AM is like best carry in this latest map. can either go emofarm build with 14 min bfury and just outcarry most lategame, or can go like 20-25 min manta + vanguard + phase and own the midgame fights.

and dusa kinda sucks now too because her "core" itemset is like treads -> linkens (maybe) -> manta -> bfly -> skadi and then she is at full potential. before then she's quite easy to gank since she's so slow and her mana can be drained quickly before she gets all her items up

thanks for advice guys i keep forgetting to stack every 53 secs when i am walking through jungle lol