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Aug 3 2011 01:28pm
Quote (lkh5650 @ Aug 3 2011 08:31pm)
polly is great mid hero actually, if u can ward trap nicely, u can most of the time gank someone and walk away with a kill, (morph, ward trap, nuke, hold)
but as for ppm, he is great ricer but even if u get 450~500 gpm, u can lose with ppm (as it was shown i think @ SK vs MSI, ppm had 500+ gpm, close to 600, but trixi? i think his pebbles just did blink-sheep-combo, and he was useless)
ricing is great but u also need to participate well in fights zz
sry idn what i am trying to say

anyway
for facing pr mid, its tough cuz pr is one of the best solo in this game, due to his deny, good nuke, and imba base speed (320, 370 with simple boots)...
the only thing u can do is i guess doing rune control, (playing hag?) or bottle ferry.


i never go alch and i usually never lose when i hit 400-500 gpm on mostly any hero but i play at 1700-1800 and seldom over that

on polly i did do some decent wardtraps and i don't find it that hard to do but anyway i go marchers on him, would striders benefit more and maybe save the gold for something else

i'm not a very good hag and early game it's a pain to play her as almost all heroes will outfarm me and outdeny me since they do more autoattack dmg, tips on that?
maybe use scream more often once lvl 2-3 and get runecontrol so i can spam that?
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Aug 3 2011 01:36pm
Quote (Pitbulul @ Aug 3 2011 02:28pm)
i never go alch and i usually never lose when i hit 400-500 gpm on mostly any hero but i play at 1700-1800 and seldom over that

on polly i did do some decent wardtraps and i don't find it that hard to do but anyway i go marchers on him, would striders benefit more and maybe save the gold for something else

i'm not a very good hag and early game it's a pain to play her as almost all heroes will outfarm me and outdeny me since they do more autoattack dmg, tips on that?
maybe use scream more often once lvl 2-3 and get runecontrol so i can spam that?


Yeah its hard to lose when u hit 400~500gpm, i play hag alot and i most of the time hit 400gpm zz anyway
for polly i usually just go striders, then start mad pushing/ganking and get fast pkey then i get nomes, as polly is kinda squishy but her spells cost alot of mana => good hp shield

for hag, it depends on who u face against
especially against melee, u wanna level haunt more than scream
u just haunt them and auto attack
alot of people underestimate the power of haunt, and try to stay in lane to cs a couple more times but numerous times i got bloodlust cuz of haunt
and also haunt is very useful against range who is squishy (ss)
overall i go haunt more than scream, due to way better dmg output ult + laning phase wise
as u know that her ult puts the same level of haunt u have to the target u ult on. so higher haunt, higher dmg,
so mostly i go 2~3 haunt, 1 blink, 1~2 scream 1 ult by level 6
after i use ult on gank at level 6, i just level scream, max it, and max haunt or get blink if necessary
its fast to hit level 10 from 6, if u gank well, thus u can get ur farming skill scream fast anyway

idn, i never lose mid as hag its kinda hard to
zzz
hag is very good rune whore :P
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Aug 3 2011 01:42pm
Quote (lkh5650 @ Aug 3 2011 03:36pm)
Yeah its hard to lose when u hit 400~500gpm, i play hag alot and i most of the time hit 400gpm zz anyway
for polly i usually just go striders, then start mad pushing/ganking and get fast pkey then i get nomes, as polly is kinda squishy but her spells cost alot of mana => good hp shield

for hag, it depends on who u face against
especially against melee, u wanna level haunt more than scream
u just haunt them and auto attack
alot of people underestimate the power of haunt, and try to stay in lane to cs a couple more times but numerous times i got bloodlust cuz of haunt
and also haunt is very useful against range who is squishy (ss)
overall i go haunt more than scream, due to way better dmg output ult + laning phase wise
as u know that her ult puts the same level of haunt u have to the target u ult on. so higher haunt, higher dmg,
so mostly i go 2~3 haunt, 1 blink, 1~2 scream 1 ult by level 6
after i use ult on gank at level 6, i just level scream, max it, and max haunt or get blink if necessary
its fast to hit level 10 from 6, if u gank well, thus u can get ur farming skill scream fast anyway

idn, i never lose mid as hag its kinda hard to
zzz
hag is very good rune whore :P


polly is male, son

1v1 me mid for 1000 fg, son
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Aug 3 2011 01:43pm
Quote (dude150 @ Aug 3 2011 03:42pm)
polly is male, son

1v1 me mid for 1000 fg, son


you're easy any 1300 devo could take you.
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Aug 3 2011 02:24pm
i used to level taunt in dota max it actually guess i could try ur strat

Quote (dude150 @ Aug 3 2011 10:42pm)
polly is male, son

1v1 me mid for 1000 fg, son


dev vs polly mid?

Quote (garbo @ Aug 3 2011 10:43pm)
you're easy any 1300 devo could take you.


tbh i did own some better players than me on dev mid and u dont even need to be gosu hooker to do it

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Aug 3 2011 02:44pm
Quote (garbo @ Aug 3 2011 03:43pm)
you're easy any 1300 devo could take you.


pls STOP
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Aug 3 2011 03:38pm
Quote (dude150 @ Aug 3 2011 04:44pm)
pls STOP


BRAJILIIAN PRIDE?
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Aug 4 2011 02:17pm
Quote (Pitbulul @ 3 Aug 2011 15:50)
small sons&friends moving up to next level
clan is growing now a bit and we did 2xgames on trilane and we won em

so anyway i haz some questions and i'd like some tips and whatnot

1-what r best combos for trilanes
2-what should solo/mid lane be like
3-if we get outpicked and can't handle their trilane how do we react
4-what do we do if we run a trilane vs their solo, duke it out and try to outfarm or go port
5-what should support/roam do if they got wards and fall back when they try to gank
6-also iso opinions on top heroe picks and what counters them best

i know the basics, ppl should carry tps and help out have a general map awarness and be ready to react when ppl get jumped
also carries should try to keep farm as much as they can where they can and only help out if other team pushes as 5

all tips r welcome and i'll appreciate pros or high rated players experienced in trilanes posting their thoughts here as well
(dude, undead, smack etc....)


1- well you need a good lineup for entire team, and as far as trilane go you want at least 1 aoe stun + 1-2 single target stuns, so if going on defensive lane you can work fine with 2 stuns but should be aoe stuns, so behe/hammer/mag if you're running a range carry + myrm + flint/fa/cd/whatever

2- your solo lanes need to be something you are sure will do at least "fine" versus their solos and have good synergi with your team kinda hard to explain since theres so much to go through but for example if you're having magmus on your trilane you want to be able to stun + ulti with any of your teammate so you can pretty much set up a kill wherever you go so in this case your solos could be like a elec mid especially if enemy mid is like a ss or smt elec will dominate, and on the other solo lane you have something like a bubbles or valk because they'll also allow you to synergize good with them aswell as they provide your team with a decent initiation and decent burst aoe

3- if you cant handle their trilane theres 2 things you can do, A either try to rape both their solos or B try to regain control over your trilane by having your solos gank for you, ofc both options is situational

4- if you go 3vs1 you must A make sure he dont get any experience whatsoever this is prevented by standing offensive with supports + a laneward while your carry take solo exp and powerdeny and incase of a push you must quickly react by having the pullspot stacked so you can instantly get the lane pushed back, also it is a good idea to stack woods if you got spare time and always be ready with port for solo lanes

5- A shut down their warding with counter wards B have good vision over all lanes and just stand where you know they got ward and try to bait them to port and stuffs like that, while they dont get any farm and as soon as they port you must react by falling back and try to get tower kills on empty lanes

6- i cant rly help you much here since i suck at picking but top heroes are ( imo )
for this metagame you would want most of the following heroes in same lineup

melee stunner for trilane
behemoth
magmus
hammerstorm

range support for trilane
myrm
andro
nymphora
witch slayer ( only if you know you will do 3vs1 ) because in 3v3 witch is really shit so is magmus, they both need at least lvl 3 in order to do good on tri

tri carry
flint
cd
aluna
pyro
puppet
maybe valk if running a aggresive as hell trilane aka behe/hs + andro/myrm + valk

solos

slither
bubbles
valk
silhu
cd
kraken
tempest
chipper
plague
even vindi if he suits your lineup and is a good counter to enemy lineup
pharaoh
doctor


i probably forgot a couple of heroes but w/e
and most picks as far as "the best team" goes is personal what you and your teammates can play the best

and if i'd to pick a lineup with those heroes
i prolly say a

magmus
myrm
puppet/aluna/valk
bubbles
doctor/vindi/plague/tempest

that way magmus can synergize with most heroes except for plague
you have a really good team overall

at least 2 big aoe stuns
lots of aoe damage
good carry potencial
good initiation
decent counter initiation



but w/e there are lots of different shit you can pick
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Aug 4 2011 04:10pm

3- if you cant handle their trilane theres 2 things you can do, A either try to rape both their solos or B try to regain control over your trilane by having your solos gank for you, ofc both options is situational

this really is trickiest if u try and do that and they just fall back and towerhug, do u just wait and still try to jump em or what
they might/might not have a ward but their team will let them know ppl r missing so if this fails u get 2 underleveled and undefarmed in team while they get freefarm in one lane

for setups i will try some combos u mentioned altho i guess i will have to play behe/magmus myself cuz some small son uberfailed on mag so i guess i have to man up

also u dont really play behe at all do u? noticed u prefer magmus more if u have any nice replays for me to watch on him lmk
im interested in
-good roaming replays
-how/when/where to farm a decent fast pk
-good initiation spots for mag ultis
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Aug 4 2011 04:13pm
Quote (Pitbulul @ Aug 4 2011 11:10pm)
3- if you cant handle their trilane theres 2 things you can do, A either try to rape both their solos or B try to regain control over your trilane by having your solos gank for you, ofc both options is situational

this really is trickiest if u try and do that and they just fall back and towerhug, do u just wait and still try to jump em or what
they might/might not have a ward but their team will let them know ppl r missing so if this fails u get 2 underleveled and undefarmed in team while they get freefarm in one lane

for setups i will try some combos u mentioned altho i guess i will have to play behe/magmus myself cuz some small son uberfailed on mag so i guess i have to man up

also u dont really play behe at all do u? noticed u prefer magmus more if u have any nice replays for me to watch on him lmk
im interested in
-good roaming replays
-how/when/where to farm a decent fast pk
-good initiation spots for mag ultis


i wish hon had smoke

makes it much easier to gank anywhere since they can't just set up wards and go towerhug when they see u coming

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