So an extra 120-130 gpm instead of 150? Oh damn.

As far as the solo/mid build well hes great vs trilanes for selfpulling and safe creep killing as you can just use the bear and sit back safely at the tower which ya is really nice. But in pubs where trilanes are less common (sub 18-1900) he does open up a solo lane which is really nice or give you a semi tri in ur short lane which is cool too as long as ur long solo doesn't get shit on. Honestly I would love to see him in a bi jungle strat if that ever gets done well, he'd be a sweet off jungler imo.

As far as the mock/demoic with the phase's ya I just love that build, towers melt raxes get raped, 1v1 he can dish our damage and team fights those items are just a great combo.

Jungle is an obvious choice for ws since it's cake and it frees up a solo lane (good for pubs without trilanes ofc)
Range + frostburn give you good tankiness and an amazing ability to kite with your insane movespeed. Chasing heroes is also really easy since your bear will get more hits during the chase. But in reality it's still not better than an initial bear build imo.

Stacking you're bear does work yes. but if the games goes late and all you did was stack your bear with a mock. you are are basically useless and if you are the only carry on you're team then you guys are pretty screwed imo

if you only have a mock on your bear late game, you're doing it wrong.

Haha not what i meant i still find stacking bear completly useless late game all bear is meant for is farming early and rooting them. only things i will ever put on my bear is steamboots. and if im farmed enough. a basher maybe since as far as i recall his root does not count as a bash effect and the basher does stack. have never done it in hon

and you play in what bracket?

sMACKTRiCKz

have u ever had a HoN acc named sMaRt1oN ?

i play in the 1700-1800 bracket of non casual mode
but then again i rarely ever play WS cause i find him more useless then most hero's id rather have a carry with a better stun then his if im going a carry at all. or a tempest for jungling

This post was edited by moondemon12 on Jul 10 2011 02:26pm

you do realize
A if you go mock you will be able to rax them easily
B if you go mock you can contiune to farm really good
C if it goes to lategame and you have done your farming you will have at least used 6/12 slots on items that are 5k+ each

Actually lategame could be 30 minutes in or 45 depends totally on the game either way 300-400 GPM in a 30 minute game 350gpmx30 minutes is only 10.5k wich covers steamboots for you you're bear and s.y for you and maybe a thunderclaw for you as well. wich is nice lategame items and if you have nice support that is all you will need to own the other team. i just find mock a waste on wildsoul cause then you need your bear really to do anything. just imo tho everyone likes different playstyles