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tier 1
andro, strong stun, insane carry boosting ability, and insane initiate/save, can easily be ran in a standard 2 man lane or a trilane or even roam, even decent for pushing
hb, all he need is level 6 to start fucking the game up, strong ulti for initiate/counter initiate and can also be used as pushing tool
dr, a mid hero which can beat alot of heroes, pebbles/devo/dw which are known to fucking pretty much anything mid will get so stomped by a decent dr it's not even funny, not to mention dr is the best carry ingame
myrmidon, a support with x2 stuns no other support have such a high laning presence from ability
bomb, fits with any lineup, global ulti, good anti trilane, insanely strong solo mid
tb, pretty much the same as bomb all though i'd say he is weaker than bomb mid, but his ulti is a sick initiate/counter initiate tool, like if they have more than 1 pk and you ulti straight after their first hero blink in, he stands there alone for 3 seconds getting murdured by your team
bubbles, strong solo mid / solo longlane hero, insane surviveability, sick initiate/gank potencial
chipper, strong mid hero but can also be used as support, high burst damage synergize pretty good with lots of heroes
pharaoh, well wall of mummies is pretty much the anti melee carry spell of the game and it also fucks up teamfights, not to mention he is the best initiator ingame and can solo longlane pretty much without a problem
witch, synergize with any team you make overall good support/mid hero

all these heroes are worthy firstpicks because these heroes can synergize from almost any pick,



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This post was edited by UndeadGad on Mar 4 2011 12:04pm

You've convinced me on the Deadwood, good reasoning. As for TB though, I see him in competitive play a lot and banned a lot. My play level is 1900+ so I hope that gives me some credibility ^^
So if you were to play against yourself DW versus Pebbles, do you think yourself would win as pebbles or DW? I think DW would definitely win, so maybe DW ran against melee solo mid is very effective because you gain something; leverage. So yes his cd's seem long, stun not really a stun so less team efficient as pebbles so if played by a REALLY good good player, pebbles > DW in overall sense, but in the laning phase what do you guys think?

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-JaySongs

TB is definitely a top tier hero. Against trilanes, which any competent team runs nowadays, he can get to level 7 and burst down the enemy trilane heroes who would be level 3 or 4 at best at that time.

As for DW vs Pebb mid, technically DW should win, but it all comes down to skill. The -armor from grasp totally crushes Pebbles as it gives him negative armor. However, the burst from Pebbles can hurt a DW quite alot, especially if Pebbles has rune control and DW is unable to stay at 100% all the time. Overall, I think the matchup could go either way depending on whose team has better support that can help their mid heroes with rune control. If I were running a Pebbles mid and saw a DW counterpick however, I would pick up a nymph or glacius or witch or any other high range harass support hero and send him mid with Pebbles to just keep DW completely shutdown. DW doesn't have as good farm ability as pebbles and if he gets gimped early he's almost useless. Running him is pretty high risk, and the reward isn't as high as running something more reliable such as a pebbles or even chipper

Okay thanks for the explanation. I think chipper is tier 1 pick for sure. I mean a bit bias after seeing chu play him in the finals, but his magic armor shield seems actually kind of OP if used correctly. Storm spirits old Magic barrier, good times.
Also, you have to keep in consideration, but running another hero mid, you'd need another hero on bottom, and picks would really have to work out for you. Are there no competitive games with DW in it? I'm sure, if match up is picked right, he can be very viable for the team. Just not as efficient as pebbles in most cases.

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-JaySongs

Yeah Chipper is an amazing hero overall, the amount of damage he puts out if played right is ridiculous.

As for competitive DW, I've only seen him run in a trilane before. The goal was obviously to get him an early PK. The trilane kind of failed though. DW's grasp is pretty worthless at a low lvl in a trilane, since all it does is stop people from moving, not from casting spells and attacking. On top of that, with trilane DW you need a very long time to get level 6, which is the point at which you become useful. Of course, with good play and ganks from mid, you could trilane DW and get him a fast pkey and some levels and he might even take over the game. The problem is however, matched up against a conventional trilane such as behemoth / myrmi / flint, you would have absolutely no chance whatsoever. On top of that, if you ran into a 1v3 situation, getting farm on a DW would be nowhere near as useful as the farm that your enemy team's carry would be getting in their trilane. Overall, DW is a hero that relies so much on bad play from enemies and an easy early game to dominate. This is pretty common in pubs, but in high-level people will counter it almost effortlessly, making the hero fairly useless compared to his many substitutes

This post was edited by sMACKTRiCKz on Mar 4 2011 03:37pm

This makes me sad because it reminds me of how much competitive HoN doesn't live up to competitive DotA. In DotA, you have SEA players who do unconventional builds that dominate and give them an edge because players haven't practiced against a unique lineup where as in HoN, I feel like, some heroes are just never attempted to be played in competitive games. No one is daring enough to create builds that seem awful at first but with thought into it, is extremely overpowered against certain lineups. If you have any unconventional replays of HoN where a team does a unique build against a good team, please link me (:

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-JaySongs

i didn't say he wasn't a good hero, just saying he's one that many people seem to not know how to deal with, and is one with a relatively low skill curve (not ceiling)
imo, i'd take the pebbles over the DW in a heartbeat
assuming no ganks and a strict 1v1 lane situation, the only way the DW could come close to killing pebbles is by initiating with punch after chipping some health off him
with grasp first, pebbles can wait for the wind up on willowmaker, or before (depends how far away when grasp was casted, etc) and either avalanche and chuck DW to potentially kill him, or if low enough just stun and then chuck him to his ranged creep and allow some breathing space

i just dislike DW because of how asymptotic his effectiveness curve is
if you're with a competent team, i can see it working out
regardless of the team, though, there are much better options out there imo

This post was edited by dude150 on Mar 4 2011 03:54pm

Sadly i would have to say peb wpuld beat DW 90% of the time if both players are decent enough to land grips and stuns. Since dw has to either be close enough to initate with his ult or get pebs with his stun down. But theres a high chance that peb will just chuck dw away when hes within range. While the peb could just wait out the grasp and counter with a combo to make dw either play defensively or stop him competely. If peb has total rune control it will force dw to play defensively and make sure he has 75% or more hp. Both players can have rune control so that once again makes it come down to skill on how and when to use stuns/grasp to have rune control. Imho I say peb would win hands down against a dw.

Thanks for the input Lazyakira. I forgot that DW's chance to kill is much less likely than pebbles since pebbles could just immediately counter by stunning or tossing DW back when he tries for a punch.

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-JaySongs