I went to Sunday School last week and we've been discussing the concept of holiness; furthermore, there's a number of situational questions we haven't addressed yet, but I've asked some people what they thought during lunch. In particular, I asked what people thought about clubbing (related to the question below). A number of these people had never been clubbing, but interestingly enough, they were quick to describe clubbing and what it's all about. They believed exposure to certain behaviour should be avoided, how vulnerable we are, and one believed that it led to a negative image.

All kinds of people go clubbing, and there are all kinds of intentions. I tend to think people can go clubbing to unwind; to have a few drinks, dance and have fun. Of course, there are people that go their to get drunk and get laid. I also tend to believe that not all people are vulnerable or will be consumed by "temptation." Moreover, I'm concerned about people making snap judgements. Who am I to judge a person for clubbing? I don't know what the intentions were, I don't know what transpired both physically and mentally. In the question below, I don't think the elder should make a judgement call based on "behaviour" that he probably did not witness, but behaviour that became a narrative of his or her own imagination.

It's easy to point to scripture and make assumptions, but I'm more interested in reasons why we shouldn't be so critical of "clubbing."

So you want something to throw back in someone's face on Sunday when they tell you clubbing is wrong?

why beholdest thou the speck that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the log that is in thine own eye?

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the speck out of thine eye; and, behold, a log is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the speck out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the log out of thy brother's eye.

You could say this in response to anybody's sin, but the fact is we've all sinned, and the Bible still tells us to correct one another.
What that verse means is that you should be aware of the fact that you're also a sinner, and not look down on the person you are correcting. As well as not harshly correcting someone on something that you yourself are guilty of.
Ultimately both need to repent, the person with the speck, and the person with the log.

Here's a scripture for you.

Galatians 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

The definition of the Greek word used for "orgies" is kōmos which is defined as:

a revel, carousal
a nocturnal and riotous procession of half drunken and frolicsome fellows who after supper parade through the streets with torches and music in honour of Bacchus or some other deity, and sing and play before houses of male and female friends; hence used generally of feasts and drinking parties that are protracted till late at night and indulge in revelry

Using it in the context of today, it would mean being at or involved in parties, clubbing, riots, or anything where people are gathering for the purpose of sinning.

Furthermore, why as a Christian would you want to be around that kind of environment, even if it doesn't cause you to be tempted?
I think you are looking for ways to justify a thing that you know you shouldn't be doing.

I realize this isn't the response you wanted, but I'm not going to help you twist scripture to fit your agenda.

This post was edited by DiS505 on Feb 28 2014 01:14pm

Who are you to say their purpose at a club is sin, these translations were written in different times, I doubt even as a loosely practicing Christian he is honoring some false diety well dancing to techno...

Judgment is no path to righteousness....and as a Christian he should be trusted to make a judgment call as to wether his faith is being tested, oR the scenario feels unwholeaome .... Control and guilt are no way to assure someone's faith...

The reason there is so much segregation between the faithful and the non believers is that we fear conflicting opinions...I have faith in my personal relationship with Jesus Christ and my ability to make smart choices... I do tsurround myself with people or acts I don't respect... Doesn't mean I need to hide from society...I can be an active member of society with a healthy social life that isn't controlled or shaped by the predispositions of someone who can't relate to current times or reality...

I agree. i think many of the rules and limitations that are being quoted were created by MEN obviously living in a very different time. they were created because of the society that they lived in back then. we know ourselves better than anyone else. we all know when we're doing something wrong.