Not exactly born again..but lost touch with Jesus for many years. It feels so good to be back..hes guiding me through the hardest time of my life right now ( divorce ). Is there a bible study group on here? Id be very interested if there is one.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9

If youre not born-again, then youve got nothing to do with Jesus. Judas lived as a disciple with Christ and yet he failed to trust Him as his Savior- he went to hell.

That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. - Acts 1:25

Now dont think youll get away believing that lie..

How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; - Hebrews 2:3
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You cant study the word of God until you get saved by trusting Christ with faith in His blood from the cross to save you from your sins & hell fire. He was crucified for all of them, and He's risen from the dead to save any that believe on Him- if youre not going to do that, dont bother about the rest.

This post was edited by raieman on Jan 29 2014 10:06pm

I study the Bible all the time who aren't saved, the purpose of the studies is to help them come to Christ. Don't try to tell people that they can't study the Bible if they haven't been saved yet, if they don't read the Bible how are they supposed to know how to be saved? God isn't standing by waiting to cast people into Hell.

2 Peter 3:9

"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

Here's an example in the Bible of people studying scripture to learn about Christ:

Acts 17:11

"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."

Luke describes them as noble, not out of place.

The testimony God makes of His Son, Jesus Christ, is of the word of God. Since youre quoting from the NIV, I hope you can "study" Matthew chapter 18 verse 11- if you can find it.
^^If you still cant do that, try comparing Isaiah 14:12 and Revelation 22:16- and try to see who's really being talked about in that "bible".

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"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." - 2nd Timothy 2:15
^^ The lost CANNOT possibly do that, they are natural men without the Spirit of Christ- they are none of His, they dont know God; theres no way theyre going to understand His word unless they trust on Him.

"How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" - Romans 10:14
^^ They must KNOW what to BELIEVE to be SAVED from HELL.. They need to be born-again & washed from their sins by faith in Jesus' blood from the cross.

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14
^^ Studying the Bible wont do a thing to the unsaved, we need to tell them how to get saved first- they need to be lead to Christ to trust Him as their Savior; thats what the "preaching of the cross" is all about

-Here's why-

"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." -Acts 17:11
^^Those Jews already believed from Paul's preaching and Timothy's witness from Acts chapter 16. They received the word by faith; "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" - with faith in the gospel which Paul preached.

"Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: 2 and Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, 3 opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ. 4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few." - Acts 17:1-4

"But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God." 1 Corinthians 2:10
^^ You might as well argue with a brickwall. What we need to do is to win souls to Christ, then if they believe Him we can study the Bible with His Spirit. Otherwise just give up, theres nothing to do with conceited & foolish unbelievers.

If you change your mind about all this, I suggest you take a pencil & paper sheet- or get a printed King James Bible, and write down the verses of Romans 3:10, 3:23, 5:12, 6:23, 5:8, 5:9, 10:11, 10:9
^^ In that particular order, otherwise you might get confused. This is a decent plan of salvation you can share with anybody.

Please tell me you're not so ignorant to believe that the King James Version is the only legitimate Bible

What you're saying is not Biblical, and it's wrong. You can definitely study the Bible when you aren't saved, you don't have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but God can still use the Spirit to convict you to the point of salvation.
I think where you're getting confused is that you think that merely having an intellectual belief in Jesus is enough to save you, which isn't the case.

The scripture you shared yourself in Acts 17:1-4 proves my point, Paul used Scripture to reason with the Jews in the synagogue, if those who aren't saved weren't able to comprehend the Scriptures why would that have had any effect on them? It's completely illogical.

Your attitude toward the lost, calling them "conceited and foolish unbelievers" is not the heart that Jesus, nor any of the disciples in the Bible had toward them. I think you need to reevaluate your heart, and the Bible.
We are called to love the lost.

This post was edited by DiS505 on Feb 2 2014 09:19pm

I thought there was One God, thus only one word of God- & not 300.

You are wrong for not believing that one Bible. If we didnt have it, we couldnt be saved from our sins. You CANT study the Bible without having first believed on Christ as Savior. The Holy Spirit will NOT use the NIV, it is NOT the word of God- the very fact the NIV calls Christ or the morning star "Lucifer" proves it preaches another Jesus.
^^The highest point you can get is conviction from hearing or reading the King James- however, study is only possible once the sinner believes on Jesus as testified of the scripture from the doctrine of Christ- once settled with the faith, knowledge from scripture study with the Holy Ghost increases.

The confusion is not caused by the King James, but by the NIV's text. Theres no such thing as "intellectual belief"- that is philosophy. The doctrine you get from the NIV and the other hell hole perversions is the scholar's own opinion or heresy- it disagrees with the reading of the Textus Receptus & the KJB, thus its not the word of God.

"And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews." - Acts 17:10
^^The jews of acts 17:11 are NOT of the same synagogue as those of Acts 17:1-4. The point is that both received Christ from Paul' preaching and reasoning from the scripture.

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand" - 1st Corinthians 15 verse 1.
^^ The very same sequence the scripture shows in both cases is Paul preaching the gospel & them believing or receiving it. THEREAFTER they studied the word of God to see if "those things [Paul preached] were so".. Theres no logic, its all of the scripture with faith in Christ.

"But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?"- Luke 12:20
^^Jesus Christ is Almighty God (see John 8:24), so its no difference to Him. Someone who refuses to believe after having heard the gospel clearly preached is a fool who's headed for hell without remedy.

"For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost." [U]- Matthew 18:11
^^Evidently the NIV DOESNT CARE ABOUT THE LOST SINCE IT DELETED THAT VERSE. Its a worthless piece of paper that calls Jesus a sinner. Youll have to do better than call God a liar if souls are ever to be reached.

Our attitudes or feelings dont matter at all- the only thing that counts' what the scripture says. The book of Romans tells us how to get saved- you seen those Roman's road verses all over. The NIV aint gonna save anybody - so are you gonna read & believe God's word- the King James, or will you stay "wise in your own conceit"?

Oh right, I forgot that only the King James Version has access to the original Greek and Hebrew texts.
Do you have any biblical support for what you're saying or do you just spout off what your pastors say?

Also, Matthew 18:11 is the same as Luke 19:10, which is included in the NIV text, and referenced at the bottom of all NIV Bibles.

"Some manuscripts include here the text from Luke 19:10"
Some, not all. It would appear that your King James Version is using unreliable manuscripts without notifying its readers.
And it is all the same Bible, it wasn't originally written in English. The King James Version is a translation, just like the NIV, ESV, NRSV, NASB, HCSB, etc.

The only thing that the KJV has on the others is that it was first, which actually hurts the reliability in its accuracy because we know much more about Hebrew and Greek now than we did when it was first translated.


Also, it's a dangerous thing to say that the Holy Spirit absolutely will NOT do something. As if you have any power over it, or any understanding of the way God works at all.

Here's a quote from your precious King James Version:

Isaiah 55:8-9

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

This post was edited by DiS505 on Feb 3 2014 09:48am

Try reading these Scriptures in order. (God's plan of salvation spans more than just the book of Romans.)

How To Seek God
Matthew 7:7-8
Matthew 7:13-14
Matthew 6:33
Luke 15:1-7
Luke 15:8-10
Luke 15:11-24
Acts 8:26-40
Acts 17:11-12

The Bible is the Word of God
Hebrews 4:12-13
1 Timothy 4:16
2 Timothy 3:16-17
John 8:30-32
John 12:47-48

What is Discipleship?
Mark 1:16-20
Luke 19:10 (or Matthew 18:11 in the KJV)
Matthew 28:18-20
Luke 9:23-26
Luke 14:25-33

Sin
Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23
Isaiah 59:1-2
Mark 7:20-23
Galatians 5:19-21
James 4:17

What Jesus did on the Cross
Romans 6:23
Isaiah 52:13-53:12
Matthew 26:31-28:10
2 Corinthians 5:14-21

Repentance (our response to the cross)
Greek word: metanoia - means to change your mind, not say sorry to God and ask for forgiveness.

Luke 13:1-5
Acts 26:14-21
2 Corinthians 7:10-11
Matthew 5:29-30
2 Peter 3:8-9
Acts 3:19

Biblical Salvation
Ephesians 4:4-6
Acts 2:36-41
Romans 6:1-5
Colossians 2:11-12
1 Peter 3:18-21
Acts 22:1-16

What role does the church play?
Matthew 28:18-20
Colossians 1:15-20
1 Corinthians 12:12-27
Hebrews 10:23-25
Hebrews 3:12-14
Acts 2:42-47
Ephesians 2:19-22

Counting the cost
Make sure you know what you're getting into before you make a life-long decision to make Jesus Lord. (2 Peter 2:20-22)

Luke 9:57-62
Luke 14:28-30



These Scriptures are a good place to start. But you should be reading the Bible and praying daily to stay in connection with The Lord.

This post was edited by DiS505 on Feb 3 2014 10:06am

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - 2nd Timothy 3:16
^^The King James doesnt have access to the originals, rather the originals are contained or preserved in the KJB itself. Thats why its the word of God- its perfectly preserved, inspired & infallible. The authority for doctrine is the Bible itself, not men.

If the NIV were the word of God it wouldnt exclude any verses from the originals, which makes its corruption obvious. The NIV is based upon the crooked manuscripts of the Vatican, not the greek Textus Receptus nor the Masoretic text.
^^The very fact that Luke 19:10 is said in the NIV to come from "some [other] manuscripts" is proof the NIV isnt based on the originals. Beside all of this, the King James is already perfect- theres no improvement that could ever be done.

The King James is not a translation, it is the preservation or containment of the texts from the original languages. The NIV is not translated from the same texts as the King James is- theyre completely different and the NIV is unequal in language and doctrine, it aint scripture its sh!t.

We dont have to know more than what God already put out in the originals. We already have everything we need that God wants us to know about from those texts as the King James survives them perfectly. No excuses can be made to alter to text to fit someone's doctrine in the pretext of language changes since it is perfectly clear.
^^Hebrew and Greek are fixed languages, so are their texts. The NIV used texts corrupted by the Vatican and the Alexandrian cults. The language of the originals is immutable, thus it must be equally preserved. We know from the NIV's reading that theyved changed their language on the basis of the texts which they translated it from.

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." -John 6:63
^^The words of Jesus are the Holy Spirit's. The Holy Ghost will in no wise use any corrupt bible which calls Jesus Satan or Lucifer, as the NIV does by teaching that Lucifer is the Morning or Day star- which are names for Jesus Christ.

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” -1st Peter 1:23
^^The King James is God's word, not mine. The NIV is Satan's word, not God's. The perversions are CORRUPT- so are their seed. If you dont have the word of God or the Bible (which is the King James and none other)- you CANT be born-again or saved from hell by Christ.

I see that you're delusional, and that discussing this with you further would be a waste of time. I will pray for you.