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Dec 5 2013 10:22am
Was told by a priest if my daughter is not baptized and dies she will not enter heaven due to original sin. I then said what happened to those that were not baptized prior to Jesus Christ and he did not have an answer. Then I tried to baptize my daughter and said my wife must be catholic in order to baptize her in my parish. Why is this?

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The Catholic faith is full of tradition and in my opinion, false doctrine. Babies do not need to be baptized. I believe in the "age of accountability". This means, the person being baptized / accepting Jesus needs to KNOW why they need a savior and what the baptism means. A baby obviously has no idea about sin and the consequence of sin. It is not until a person understands these issues that their need for a personal relationship with Jesus comes into account.

Also, your wife being Catholic is another tradition of theirs. If someone wants to accept Christ, it doesn't matter if their mother, brother, sister, father, etc.. is in the church or not. Christ is personal for the individual.
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Dec 5 2013 07:26pm
Yeah this is why I'm not a huge fan of Catholics. Jesus said that he is the way, the truth and the life. Nobody comes to the father except by him.

Baptism will not save you, Baptism is like a symbol of what it represents. There is no magic involved with Baptism. It is not a requirement to be Baptised in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The requirement is to put your trust and your faith in the LORD Jesus Christ.

The reason he couldn't answer your question is because his original thought is incorrect. If his original thought was correct then he would have been able to answer that question.

Now that being said, I do not see the logic in telling somebody that their daughter will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven if she isn't baptised. He then goes on to say that you cannot baptise your daughter? If I were you I'd argue against that, it is like the Priest is preventing somebody from being able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven in the first place.

I would be angry or at least question their beliefs at the very least if I were you. I personally do not blame you for beginning to lose Faith based on that.
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Dec 6 2013 01:42pm
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The Catholic faith is full of tradition and in my opinion, false doctrine.  Babies do not need to be baptized.  I believe in the "age of accountability".  This means, the person being baptized / accepting Jesus needs to KNOW why they need a savior and what the baptism means.  A baby obviously has no idea about sin and the consequence of sin.  It is not until a person understands these issues that their need for a personal relationship with Jesus comes into account.

Also, your wife being Catholic is another tradition of theirs.  If someone wants to accept Christ, it doesn't matter if their mother, brother, sister, father, etc.. is in the church or not.  Christ is personal for the individual.


I agree with Dune 100% but often argue with peers about original sin in the first place. I argue that our souls are created perfectly in God's image but that it is inevitable that we experience the curse and brokenness of the world because of the unfathomable amount of external influences on us. Those influences include physical, emotional, and spiritual realms. But, the Bible is relatively clear about "age of accountability" theology, which is why Jews have Bar and Bat Mitzvah - coming of age ceremonies.

I'd recommend dedicating your child in a church early, which is an outward expression of yours and your church body's that you and they will raise your child to love God. When you have raised your child and discipled them to the point that they understand what it means to be baptized, let them make the choice to be baptized.
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Dec 10 2013 08:32am
Thanks you all for your responses. Where is the misconception that you must be washed fr original sin to enter heaven? What role does original sin play into our lives as Christians?
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Thanks you all for your responses. Where is the misconception that you must be washed fr original sin to enter heaven?  What role does original sin play into our lives as Christians?


There isn't such a thing as "original sin". We are all sinless from birth. However, we have a nature to sin. Meaning, we have a desire to sin from the beginning. We are not born sinners, we are born with a desire to sin which is completely different.

The "original sin" doctrine is a false one that has been passed down. It's the belief that sin has been passed down through the blood line, stemming back from Adam and Eve. Jesus debunks this notion in John 9. The belief was that if you have a mental or physical defect, it is a result of your parents sin. Jesus made it very clear that the sin of his parents had nothing to do with his ailment. You can also refer to Ezekiel 18:20 and Romans 14:12 which echo this same notion.

Jesus himself was a prime example that original sin does not exist. He died sinless. If he were born a sinner, that would mean his death would be meaningless and the scripture is a lie. Rather, he was born with a "nature" to sin, as we can see throughout the temptations he faced. Unlike us, he overcame temptation and chose not to sin.
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Dec 12 2013 08:29am
Baptism is a public recognition and display of your faith.

Have a relationship, a relationship, with jesus and with your mouth confess who your Lord and savior is. Understand what you are saying before you say it. And lead a life pleasing to God
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Dec 20 2013 05:36am
think the priest is a little confused
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Dec 24 2013 11:38pm
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There isn't such a thing as "original sin".  We are all sinless from birth.  However, we have a nature to sin.  Meaning, we have a desire to sin from the beginning.  We are not born sinners, we are born with a desire to sin which is completely different.

The "original sin" doctrine is a false one that has been passed down.  It's the belief that sin has been passed down through the blood line, stemming back from Adam and Eve.  Jesus debunks this notion in John 9.  The belief was that if you have a mental or physical defect, it is a result of your parents sin.  Jesus made it very clear that the sin of his parents had nothing to do with his ailment.  You can also refer to Ezekiel 18:20 and Romans 14:12 which echo this same notion.

Jesus himself was a prime example that original sin does not exist.  He died sinless.  If he were born a sinner, that would mean his death would be meaningless and the scripture is a lie.  Rather, he was born with a "nature" to sin, as we can see throughout the temptations he faced.  Unlike us, he overcame temptation and chose not to sin.


I'm not so sure that Jesus had a sin nature given that he was conceived by the Holy Spirit...
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