I know it's a long thread, but give it a read... I think you will be interested.

Okay so I had a dream the other night and this was the general idea that I got from it:

The battle between Science and religion is thousands of years old and is still debated on to this day and will always be for years to come.

Background Info:

Question: What if God Is Evolution?

The creation vs. evolution debate is a question of origins.
How did we get here?
Were we created or did we evolve randomly?
Are we the product of purposeful intelligence
or are we merely the end result of countless cosmic accidents?

The Theory of Evolution:

Definition: Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations

The theory of evolution seeks to explain the origin of life on Earth and the origin of different species.
Despite the fact that most of the scientific community has regarded it as fact for more than a century,
a large number of people still dispute the theory of evolution, and various public controversies have resulted from this disagreement.

According to evolutionary theory, life began billions of years ago, when a group of chemicals inadvertently organized themselves into a self-replicating molecule.
This tiny molecule gave rise to everything that has ever lived on the planet. Different and more complex organisms grew from this simple beginning through mutation of DNA and natural selection.

Natural Selection: The central concept of natural selection is the evolutionary fitness of an organism. Fitness is measured by an organism's ability to survive and reproduce, which determines the size of its genetic contribution to the next generation.

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Now Back to my question for you...

What if God is Evolution?

Beliefs:

Religion: God Created Everything
Science: Everything Is made up of Chemicals that evolved slowly over time into what we see today based off of natural selection and survival of the fittest...

Now if you believe that god created everything on earth, Then you also believe that God created everything that used to be on earth ( species that are now extinct )

Now some science is fact, based on evidence of fossils we can all see that there have been several difference species on this earth that no longer live here today
They all had similar traits to there predecessors that slowly evolved into what we see today,Keyword there is Slowly!

No where in history do we see a random occurrence of a species without a prior similar species.
Based off of this, with something so complex as the human body do you think that God just randomly created man out of no where?

There have been nearly 2 Million different species that have lived on this earth discovered by scientists, most of which are now extinct
But some form of those extinct species still lives today...

Now my question to you is, Do you believe that god created all species past, current, and future...

If you believe so then you have to believe in evolution to an extent already...


My belief based on this is:

God has created all things on earth past and current based of off evolution.

I believe that god has a masterplan for each and every species on this earth, and this plan is still in the works

The earth is 4.54 billion years old,
Mankind dating back to its earliest predecessor is roughly 6 million years old.

Which means the earth is 756x older then mankind itself

I believe that god started with something simple and slowly molded and evolved it into the earth that we see today

and that millions of years from now the earth will not look like it does today, and the species that live today will no longer exist as they currently do,
but god will have further evolved and adapted them further working them to his master plan for humanity and all creations.


Thank you for reading
Hope you atleast have something to think about and get your brain working =)

This may not be worded properly as I intended, Im very tired but wanted to post this before I forgot what I wanted to say,
I will tweak it and adjust the wording If I messed anything up

God Bless

This post was edited by UnSuN on Oct 22 2012 08:56am

My believe is based on the God's Word, the Bible.


-Mankind is created in the image of God, and has never evolved from any other species.
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."


He DID create man from "nowhere".
Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."



You should post this here. Since this forum is the Christian Fellowship forum, not the evolution/atheist debate forum.

This post was edited by Gold_Llama on Oct 22 2012 01:02pm

From a logical standpoint, a lot of individuals feel as if the Bible is merely a way to blindly go about life feeling as if you have a certainty of what's going to happen to you when you die. They're wanting to hope for the best, wanting to know what's coming (since nobody knows, spiritually), and merely the fear of death. Ultimately, a lot of individuals deep down inside, want to have some sort of assurance or knowledge of where they're going when they die, and they feel as if religion is the way. Now, on the other hand... the Bible does teach us about being a decent person, a person like Jesus. Who was Jesus in the Bible? He was explained as a loving, caring, non-hating, worshiping individual and many more points to say. It teaches us to lead a life like Jesus, to follow Jesus, aka do what was said Jesus did.

A lot of mixed opinions about this topic, you have to look at it from all perspectives and not be closed-minded or be one of those "I have Jesus so I'm better than everyone" or "I have Jesus so I won't listen to any other arguments" type of individual. A lot of people rather live by fact than a faith.. and same goes for a lot of people want to live by faith believing certain things are fact.

I, personally, think it's a game of fear. Fear because you don't know what's going to happen when you die (spiritually, we know what happens physically). The Bible tells us if you truly follow Jesus as a disciple, you'll be with Him in Heaven.. and if not, Hell. So... many mixed opinions to be said.

I personally think science and religion can go hand-in-hand.

Most people who believe in a God probably beleive that God created all the various laws of the universe, setting up the initial conditions to allow certain events to transpire. Setting up the dominos if you will.

After this point, people may argue whether God left the universe to its fate, vs. continuing to be present as a guiding hand.

I personally believe that God, being omnipotent, set the initial conditions of universe so meticulously that it allowed for the inevitability for the first lifeform to come into existence & continue to evolve. I don't see why he would break his own laws of the universe to interfere directly when he could have set up the dominos correctedly from the start.

Now my beliefs allow science & religion to exist side-by-side, but it brings about the more disturbing question of free-will. I keep going back and forth with that one - no clue what I believe at the moment. Currently I'm thinking there is no free will.

I agree that they go hand-in-hand as well...


If god created man, and man discovered science
That means god gave them the tools to do so...
If science was this evil thing that goes against god and religion
Why would god give us those tools...

For man to think so much about science, and facts and intelligence it is a gift from God.
Now, when we use his "intelligence" thinking God doesnt exist, than he is becoming sinful.

Science is a religion itself, they won't believe unless its pure fact PROVEN. Most people who are strongly for science will only look to their "righteousness".

Science base all starts from a hypothesis, a theory. To prove something that is always changing to God is just insensible. You think science 500,1000,2000 years ago was the same today? Science back than is considered inaccurate to todays. And we compare something that is always changing, with God? Doesnt make sense.

Science says the stories, earth's climate , environment , etc of the bible doesnt make sense either. Did we ever live back than? It is all assumption. How can you prove what you think is correct 2,000 years ago.

Most of all, science cannot prove that there is NO GOD. PERIOD.

This post was edited by Riches on Oct 28 2012 08:48pm

You have a skewed idea of what science is.
And of course you can't disprove the existence of a Christian God, with science, just like you can't disprove the existence of every god ever worshiped on this earth.

stopped reading there

This post was edited by kevindyd77 on Oct 29 2012 02:25am