God is perfect - infinite in grace and power.

There is no tool of mathematics to convert infinity into anything less.

How are humans imperfect then? Are we imperfect?

The world is riddled with evil and arrogance in a veil of purity - we are made by the full extent of God.

This post was edited by Verify110 on Apr 1 2012 07:56pm

If we were perfect, we could fulfill the law.
If we could do this, then Jesus was pointless.

Galations 2:19-21

We are a imperfect, sinful people made right by the grace of the almighty, perfect savior.

There is no device in mathematics to convert infinity (in perfection) into anything but infinity.

Why does everything have to be defined by math? It doesn't. If God, and his perfection can be defined and explained by a mathematical equation, then he could not possibly be God.
If we are perfect, then why did Jesus come to be the final atonement for our sins?

God, in his infinite greatness cannot be put into a box, or a theorem.

Here's a quote which I think applies to the subject and explains very well how I feel:

"God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go either wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong; I cannot. If a thing is free to be good it is also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata-of creatures that worked like machines-would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they must be free.

Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently He thought it worth the risk. Perhaps we feel inclined to disagree with Him. But there is a difficulty about disagreeing with God. He is the source from which all your reasoning power comes: you could not be right and He wrong any more than a stream can rise higher than its own source. When you are arguing against Him you are arguing against the very power that makes you able to argue at all: it is like cutting off the branch you are sitting on. If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will-that is, for making a live world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings-then we may take it it is worth paying."

Well said, I might even add this to my profile for future reference.

we are of god or we are god ?

We are not perfect because we were made imperfect. To be made imperfect is to be made by a imperfect creator. (as to be created imperfect by a perfect creator is not possible)




This is a very good quote. However, I do not want another person's free will to promote greed to negatively effect me. God's placement of free will for others is hurting me - I would rather live in a world without hurt, but God has not supplied me with the free will to persue this. After all, if we never know what free will is, we cannot miss it.

I would like to share with you a quote by Epicurus:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

This post was edited by Verify110 on Apr 4 2012 01:10pm

There is such a thing as a loaded/misleading question. For instance, if I ask you:
"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?", if you answer yes, that implies you were beating your wife. If you answer no, then that implies you still are beating your wife. To deduce God to such a simple yes/no question of this order is of the highest level of dishonesty or injustice, in the same manner that it would be to require you to answer the previous question in only a yes or no manner.

Some more reading on the subject (been thoroughly rebuked by many people for a long time):
http://carm.org/god-and-evil-a-philosophical-contradiction

There are many resources available on this, if you care to do your own research, this link is but one of many articles on the subject. In any case, you are in the wrong forum if this is your subject matter. Use the PaRD.