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Aug 18 2011 09:32am
I was born into the catholic faith and baptized and what not. I just don't agree with all of its teachings and beliefs. Is it wrong to go to church only to satisfy family members needs and not having full faith in it yourself? Is it like sacrilegious to not fully believe in it and still attend?
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Aug 18 2011 12:03pm
If you don't want to be there, then probably you should not be there.
Remember, the important thing is not being a good catholic, or your relationship with the catholic church.
The important thing is your relationship with God.
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Aug 18 2011 12:49pm
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If you don't want to be there, then probably you should not be there.
Remember, the important thing is not being a good catholic, or your relationship with the catholic church.
The important thing is your relationship with God.


I guess most of this has to do with getting older and not believing in everything without questioning it. Like understanding and seeing the logic of science verse the creationism views. Like it would be nice if I could believe that one all power being created it all for us, heart and soul. Verse the theory of big bang and evolution. For the life of me I can't buy into the immaculate conception, if a girl or doctor say this was even possible I would be like ... are you serious? Now dont get me wrong religous teaching are not complely without believable merit for me. The 10 commandment I buy that most of it is a very solid way to live.

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1. You shall have no other gods before me. (ok but which god is right? there are many other gods or false prophets)
     
  2. You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. (If god is a jealous god then how can this be, the story of Pandora released all but hope in the world so in my mind he should be immune to mortal feelings)
     
  3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain. (but dont we ask for him when times are hard or we are in pain or lost in our own life struggles as a rhetorical question for help isn't this in it self in vein?)
     
  4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. (If that is so would it make monday night football, and working to pay the bills a sin?)
     
  5. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you. (ok I get this and agree wholeheartedly to honor mom and dad, but for what the lord has given you... is that saying you would have been born regardless if mom and day never got together?)
     
  6. You shall not murder. (yep a good rule here)
     
  7. You shall not commit adultery. (I can see a happy life to follow this no problem)
     
  8. You shall not steal. (Very good I can see gaining many friends for following this)
     
  9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. (understood)
     
  10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
(so keeping up with the jones is a sin and violation of the commandments, this just seems unavoidable all end up wanting what others have at some points and spend their lives to achieve this)


As I said I agree with some of the teachings but does one have to agree to all of it to be welcomed in his eyes?

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Aug 25 2011 05:45pm
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I was born into the catholic faith and baptized and what not. I just don't agree with all of its teachings and beliefs. Is it wrong to go to church only to satisfy family members needs and not having full faith in it yourself? Is it like sacrilegious to not fully believe in it and still attend?


what most modernb"christians" do.
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Aug 25 2011 06:28pm
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I was born into the catholic faith and baptized and what not. I just don't agree with all of its teachings and beliefs. Is it wrong to go to church only to satisfy family members needs and not having full faith in it yourself? Is it like sacrilegious to not fully believe in it and still attend?


Become a Christian :)

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Sep 1 2011 12:20pm
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I guess most of this has to do with getting older and not believing in everything without questioning it. Like understanding and seeing the logic of science verse the creationism views. Like it would be nice if I could  believe that one all power being created it all for us, heart and soul. Verse the theory of big bang and evolution. For the life of me I can't buy into the immaculate conception, if a girl or doctor say this was even possible I would be like ... are you serious? Now dont get me wrong religous teaching are not complely without believable merit for me. The 10 commandment I buy that most of it is a very solid way to live.



As I said I agree with some of the teachings but does one have to agree to all of it to be welcomed  in his eyes?


Just speaking to #2 here.

God is all powerful, but it doesn't make him as lacking in emotion as a door nob. Like Poohdini says above, it's not about following some strict set of rules for salvation, especially just to appease those around you. It's about having a solid and growing relationship with Christ. If he were immune to what you're calling mere "mortal feelings" or emotion, how could one establish and carry on in a relationship with him? Yes, he is a jealous God. He's also loving God, and I'm sure it has saddened him from the beginning of the fall clear to present day to see man choose a path other than what has been placed before us by him.
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Sep 4 2011 05:28pm
Science is great as long as you understand it's limitations. Science cannot measure spiritual things, it can't even measure things we experience every day like love, jealousy, motives, motivation, kindness, etc... It can't measure God, so why use it to attept to? It's like measuring the weight of a chicken with a yardstick. Science vs creation and logic can start with the beginning: Where did all this stuff come from? Either it came from something or it didn't. Science can only theorize that everything you see around you came from nothing, because it cannot factor in anything supernatural. Now what makes most sense to you? That there was a big bang that came from a supernatural, eternal creator, OR that there was a big bang that came from....nothing! If you hear a knock on the door, what do you do? Answer it! Why? because you know something had to cause that knock. You don't just assume that it was nothing that made it knock.

Are you persuing what is truth or are you persuing what is convenient for your life? If you believe the Bible is God's word, then you must believe what God said in it. If you just pick and choose what you like, then you just created your own worldview, not God's. All religious teachings have truths in them, but they can't all be true because they have drastically different takes on the nature of reality. Catholicism is very legalistic and follows ideas that are foreign to the Bible, and consequently produces a lackluster congregation of rule followers, instead of followers of Christ. While many catholics DO love the Lord very much, I've noticed so much more that go to church as obligation or ritual, and don't really take it seriously.

If you only follow teachings that you agree with, what teachings are others suppose to follow? How then can you draw a line between right and wrong if everyone just follows what they agree with?

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Sep 4 2011 06:09pm
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Science is great as long as you understand it's limitations. Science cannot measure spiritual things, it can't even measure things we experience every day like love, jealousy, motives, motivation, kindness, etc... It can't measure God, so why use it to attept to? It's like measuring the weight of a chicken with a yardstick. Science vs creation and logic can start with the beginning: Where did all this stuff come from? Either it came from something or it didn't. Science can only theorize that everything you see around you came from nothing, because it cannot factor in anything supernatural. Now what makes most sense to you? That there was a big bang that came from a supernatural, eternal creator, OR that there was a big bang that came from....nothing! If you hear a knock on the door, what do you do? Answer it! Why? because you know something had to cause that knock. You don't just assume that it was nothing that made it knock.


I'm only commenting because I dislike your argument. I don't know what side of things I'm on at the moment. I am more open now than I have been in recent memory.

"That there was a big bang that came from a supernatural, eternal creator, OR that there was a big bang that came from....nothing!" Neither of these phenomena- something from a supernatural force or something from nothing- have precedent. Weighing one as more believable than the other is incorrect I think.

I may be incorrect due to small sample size, but I've run into more people that think this "something" has always existed and not come from "nothing." I will assume that God has always existed to a Christian. It must not then be a terrible stretch for a Big Bang theorist to claim the universe has always existed in cyclic fluctuation. What do you think of this?

I'm not well-versed in any discipline, so I apologize for any misrepresentations of anyone's beliefs.

Random spew of ideas. I think I need a spiritual adviser.

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Sep 4 2011 08:45pm
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I'm only commenting because I dislike your argument. I don't know what side of things I'm on at the moment. I am more open now than I have been in recent memory.

"That there was a big bang that came from a supernatural, eternal creator, OR that there was a big bang that came from....nothing!" Neither of these phenomena- something from a supernatural force or something from nothing- have precedent. Weighing one as more believable than the other is incorrect I think.

I may be incorrect due to small sample size, but I've run into more people that think this "something" has always existed and not come from "nothing." I will assume that God has always existed to a Christian. It must not then be a terrible stretch for a Big Bang theorist to claim the universe has always existed in cyclic fluctuation. What do you think of this?

I'm not well-versed in any discipline, so I apologize for any misrepresentations of anyone's beliefs.

Random spew of ideas. I think I need a spiritual adviser.


I offered the explanations as the two most common reasons why the universe exists. Since science uses a naturalistic approach, it cannot use anything supernatural as an option. That something has always existed suggests that material things can be eternal, which is not observed in science. If you suggest that material things have ALWYAS existed, then we would have to go back farther than the big bang (begninning of the known universe) and ask, ok where did all that stuff come from? How did this stuff organize itself to create the big bang, consequently creating the universe and all life as we know it. To suggest that material things are eternal and they somehow orchestrated the creation of the universe over and over seems far fetched to me. Not only did stuff create the known universe but it had to all be by chance, since there is no designer involved. The farther you take it, the less likely it seems to be the reality of the universe, at least that's how I see it. An eternal creator seems more likely than eternal stuff, and even more likely than eternal nothing.

You don't need to be well versed in a discipline to attempt to make sense of the cosmilogical (origin of the universe) argument, just be intellectually honest :D
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