So considering Elijah and Enoch went to " heaven " ( along with Jesus )

But it says. " And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." (John 3:13 KJV)

So are there multiple " heavens " or what?

Some say there are different levels or layers of heaven...

This is how I see it:

The first heaven is our immediate atmosphere (where the clouds are, inside the atmosphere of earth)

The second heaven is space, outside of our atmosphere, space is massive and contains basically everything inside of this universe.

Then the third heaven (which is purely speculation at this point imo) is the area outside of the actual universe itself...

I don't know this for sure, its purely un-biblical speculation on the third one, so I'm not saying it for sure, it just seems reasonable because the first 2 are basically described in the bible as being just that (Physical). (The sky & space)

This post was edited by Torm1 on Jul 29 2011 11:30pm

Lol @ you all saying there is more then 1 Heaven, sorry but there is only 1 Heaven as far as I know.

I'm assuming you aren't a Christian or you don't really know what the Bible is. But thanks for that insightful post. Thanks torm

Hope you're not serious pal.. There is only 1.. I repeat 1 HEAVEN... not multipul heavens.. were in the world did that idea come from? And you are asking me if I am a christian? Take a look at yourself before you insult others.

I recall it being in the bible somewhere.

2 Cor. 12:2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

I don't know I'd you read my post or not but I'm assuming you didn't.

But yeah people I think the third heaven is just " heaven ". The 1st being earth 2nd being space and 3rd being " heaven ". But I wonna know which one enoch went to... Couldn't have Ben the heaven Jesus was in.

Very interesting. I will speak to some friends and find out what it is. Or see if I can find a lesson on this for you.


Thanks!



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WHAT IS HEAVEN?
It is important for us to understand this word heaven. It doesn’t always mean the place where God lives. Psalm 115:16 says that ‘God lives in the HIGHEST heavens but the earth is the place where man lives’. In the Bible, the word heaven describes the space above the earth. Psalm 8:1 says ‘the heavens declare the glory of God’. We see the wonderful power and majesty or glory of God by looking at the clouds, the sunsets ... the heavens here means the sky. Look also at Daniel 4:20-21. The NIV version of the Bible says the birds that ‘fly in the air’, but if we compare it with the AV version, an old version of the Bible, it says ‘the birds that fly in the heavens’. We know that birds cannot leave the sky that surrounds the earth because they’d die, so again, heavens means sky.

For starters.


Might help clear a little bit up for you.

This post was edited by Pious on Aug 1 2011 05:43am

Thanks! :). I started to wonder after I talked to a Muslim about their beliefs and he talked about multiple heavens. I , of course, started to look into it and it does seem to refer to more than one.