"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."


What this means to me:

Father - The Father means the creator. What does the creator mean to me? Well when I ask myself that question I don't expect an answer. Only because an answer would be only one part of the whole. What I mean by that is that if God created everything God is everything. To have an answer for God makes no sense what so ever looking at it from these terms. Although there is no answer I don't believe having nothing is such a misfortune. After all from nothing comes something! So the Father to me means nothing that makes something.

Forgive - When I ponder on forgiveness it doesn't take long before I realize that I have forgotten all that was done to me. Whether it be earlier that day or something from a long time ago. This is not to say when I go into a thought of something from the past that there isn't past judgments that come along with it. But when I go into this present moment I don't care what was in the past for there is no past just now. So what forgiveness means to me is that when we enter the moment of truth we have no care for what has happened or what is to happen, for we are now back in the eyes of God.

Them/They/They - Who is they? Well its definitely not me! Who is me? Me is something that I've been witnessing for 20 years now. And with me comes them. Now when I compare them to me it always seems to be a mess. But who am I to judge them? They have their own problems just like me. I've done things they wouldn't like but I thought it was best for me. I'm sure they have done the same. Are they separate from me? If we respond to each other so often it seems unlikely. So maybe there is no they? So maybe "forgive them" (which in my perspective means truth of the whole and no care for answers) is a way of bringing the who we think is "I" back to the God "I"?

Know Not - You never know for sure. The only thing we can know is that we are, for we are here to ask.

Do - If every action has a reaction, how do we know what we do will have any help to the outcome?

Just some thoughts on what was trying to be said let me know what you think

I like the "Do" part. It makes me realize how much more important it is to follow the teachings of Jesus and not to rely on our own wisdom too much.

I think I agree with this but I just don't know how you interpret Jesus's teachings. So I can't say for sure.

pm me if you dont understand be glad to explain not force!

Jesus was about to die. Who kill him? us

We killed all that was good. We chased him and hunted him not knowing what we were doing the whole time.

God became the target in hope that we will come to him.

I see again and again human efforts fail and not only fail but backfire

I don't take Jesus's story so literally. I just look at the message being sent. I see that message saying that we will not find Christ-consciousness using the ego.

That is why I believe if we surrender to those things that annoy or upset the ego, we can see things the way they truly are.

This post was edited by RamDass on Jun 29 2011 08:00pm

yea man, realization of truth is really hard and overlooked sometimes.

ego prevents the step back and view of big picture

Those exact words are the fulfillment of the prophecies concerning the Passion found in Psalm 22 .