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May 26 2011 12:32pm
When i was growing up there wasn't anything about a "rapture". No one was saying how all the righteous people would be raptured up leaving their clothes behind o.o and then everyone else is left to rot for however long....
I still dont believe in the rapture but I wanted to get the opinion of someone who believes in it. So I was just wondering what evidence they have that there will be a rapture without a completely subjective interpretation of a verse or several verses.
It seemed to me that its a way for people to believe that if they're good then they wont have to suffer, and regardless of the amount of proof for or against it they will believe it because it makes them feel better. Just my opinion though.

I'm still trying to determine what I believe so I'll probably post here from time to time to see what your guys opinions are.
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May 26 2011 01:11pm
Believing in the Rapture as a comfort does not say anything about how it may be truly taught in Scripture. On the same token, we could say that people taking comfort in the Biblical concept of going to heaven makes it a doctrine that is pure opinion. This is not the case. (Prepare for a long read, if you so desire to understand why people really believe in the Rapture.)

The Christian view of the Rapture (an English theological word that does not appear in the Bible) is really a different interpretation of what the Jews call "The Resurrection of the Dead". That is, the Resurrection of the Dead is an event said to take place in the Messianic Age when all of those that are dead and are righteous will be raised up to live with God, and the wicked will not. The preaching of this concept can be found in Jesus' sayings in John 6 (possibly other places, but this isn't an exhaustive study). The Resurrection of the Dead is also spoken of by Paul in many passages, he himself being a former Jewish Pharisee.

We draw much of what we believe about the Rapture of the Church in Christianity from the writings of Paul, which are a Christian perspective of the Jewish conception of the Resurrection of the Dead. The only way to determine this doctrine is through the interpretation of Scripture. However, just because we interpret Scripture, it does not automatically make it subjective opinion. With that said, here are a couple of passages that give us insight into the Rapture:

1. In 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, particularly in verses 16-17, we read: "16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." This is Paul's take, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, on the event of the Rapture. He speaks of the original thought of the Resurrection of the Dead in verses 13-15, and goes on to tell us in verses 16-18 that those who are still alive will be caught up to meet God in the air.

2. Going off of point (1), there is additional Scripture we gain from Paul that the Rapture is a literal event that will involve the transforming of our bodies and meeting God in the air as 1 Thessalonians 4:17 says. This is in 1 Corinthians 15:50-54. That is, at the sounding of the "last trumpet" Jesus Christ is going to descend and we are going to meet him in the air, which is a further elaboration of the above scriptures. Paul says: "51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." He says we SHALL not die when that last trumpet takes place, but will transformed in a moment. In effect, this event will be similar to how Jesus ascended into heaven.

3. Not only that, but the fact Jesus ascended in His glorified, resurrected body, is considered the "first fruits" (1 Corinthians 15:20). This is understood by theologians today to refer to the promise of our Rapture, for since Christ was risen, we will be also.

4. Also take note that the idea of Jesus returning again is corroborated in the book of Acts, which the angel tells the crowd that Jesus will descend in the same way he ascended (that is, in his Resurrected body). See Acts 1:11.

In essence, the concept of the Rapture is clearly taught in New Testament theology. Furthermore, it has its roots in the Jewish concept of the Resurrection of the Dead. This is not a subjective opinion, but what the Bible teaches us plainly. The idea of the Rapture is not one we ought to stress about or overly worry about, but take comfort in. When Paul concluded his statement I quoted above in 1 Thessalonians 4, he states "comfort one another with these words." I hope what I have said helps you and may in effect be something that comforts you.
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May 26 2011 01:11pm
No one will know when the rapture is, if it happens.
That's why most people ignore or poke fun at the people that announce it.
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May 26 2011 01:15pm
Well, christianity is a faith. There is no physical proof that a rapture will happen, until we start seeing the signs that the bible tells us about.
The signs have not started yet so I don't think it'll be very soon.

You either believe what the bible says or you don't. The way people know the rapture is going to happen is by reading that Jesus said he was coming back again to judge the Earth.

There has always been people talking about the rapture. False prophets trying to predict it and what not.

I don't think it says anywhere in the bible we are going to leave our clothes behind lol. not sure where you heard this but i don't think it's true.
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May 26 2011 01:17pm
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Well, christianity is a faith. There is no physical proof that a rapture will happen, until we start seeing the signs that the bible tells us about.
The signs have not started yet so I don't think it'll be very soon.

You either believe what the bible says or you don't. The way people know the rapture is going to happen is by reading that Jesus said he was coming back again to judge the Earth.

There has always been people talking about the rapture. False prophets trying to predict it and what not.

I don't think it says anywhere in the bible we are going to leave our clothes behind lol. not sure where you heard this but i don't think it's true.


Two things.

1. If you read through Matthew 24, the Olivet Discourse where Jesus tells His disciples the signs they will see when they know the end of days will come, it is clear that many of the things that Jesus said there are taking place in our day! However, there are prophesies such as those in Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation that admittedly, as you say, have not occurred yet (such as the Middle East peace treaty).

2. He probably gets the idea from people drawing their theology from the Left Behind series, wherein people's clothes actually are left behind as they are raptured.
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May 26 2011 01:35pm
Quote (Lifesong @ May 26 2011 12:17pm)
Two things.

1. If you read through Matthew 24, the Olivet Discourse where Jesus tells His disciples the signs they will see when they know the end of days will come, it is clear that many of the things that Jesus said there are taking place in our day! However, there are prophesies such as those in Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation that admittedly, as you say, have not occurred yet (such as the Middle East peace treaty).

2. He probably gets the idea from people drawing their theology from the Left Behind series, wherein people's clothes actually are left behind as they are raptured.


But I bet you the middle east peace treaty will happen soon. Obama is really pushing for it now.

That marks the beginning of the 7 year Great Tribulation, right?
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May 26 2011 02:00pm
Rapture teachings are a fairly new occurrence in the history of the church .

For a reasonable understanding do a little research into Darby and dispensationalism of the 19th century .
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May 27 2011 11:45am
I believe that Jesus will come back and take us with him, the problem I have with the teaching is the part that everyone thinks they will be taken up and all the evil people will be left on earth to suffer. I always thought that at the end after all the horrible things had happened on earth THEN we would be taken up, we arnt going to be saved from the tribulations of the end times but we would have to endure them and then the end of the world would come.

Could you elaborate on that? You already have a paragraph so its ok if you dont want to :P

But I agree with what you said before.
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May 27 2011 01:51pm
Quote (ass666 @ May 27 2011 10:45am)
I believe that Jesus will come back and take us with him, the problem I have with the teaching is the part that everyone thinks they will be taken up and all the evil people will be left on earth to suffer. I always thought that at the end after all the horrible things had happened on earth THEN we would be taken up, we arnt going to be saved from the tribulations of the end times but we would have to endure them and then the end of the world would come.

Could you elaborate on that? You already have a paragraph so its ok if you dont want to :P

But I agree with what you said before.


I think we need to distinguish between two different events. The first has to do with WHEN the Rapture takes place. It seems that you agree with me about the second, which is the Great White Throne Judgment spoken of in Revelation 20:11-15. You can read about it here: http://www.gotquestions.org/great-white-throne-judgment.html

I will summarize though, and say that what you believe in is the Great White Throne Judgment, which is exactly what you describe: a time in which, at the end of all things, all people are taken up, stand before God, and are then judged on their eternal destination. This takes place AFTER the Great Tribulation period.

The problem that you seem to have with the rapture is that you are under the impression that people will be Raptured AFTER the Tribulation, which means not all the good would be taken up and all the bad left behind. That's fine! That is actually compatible with the idea of the Rapture! It is called "Post-Tribulation" theology, where the church is raptured AFTER the Great Tribulation, then the Millennium Reign takes place, and then the Great White Throne Judgment. Some people believe in that and there might be some rational grounds for believing that. The other two positions are that the church will be taken up BEFORE the Tribulation ("Pre-Tribulation"), or in the MIDDLE of the Tribulation ("Mid-Tribulation", 3 years after the Middle East Peace Treaty).

In essence, you can hold your view that God will take up the Church after the Great Tribulation perhaps. But what you have to understand is the timeline the Bible gives us. You seem to be confusing the Rapture with the Great White Throne Judgment, which are two different events described in the Bible. I hope this helps!
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May 27 2011 01:52pm
Quote (weasleface @ May 26 2011 03:15pm)
Well, christianity is a faith. There is no physical proof that a rapture will happen, until we start seeing the signs that the bible tells us about.
The signs have not started yet so I don't think it'll be very soon.

You either believe what the bible says or you don't. The way people know the rapture is going to happen is by reading that Jesus said he was coming back again to judge the Earth.

There has always been people talking about the rapture. False prophets trying to predict it and what not.

I don't think it says anywhere in the bible we are going to leave our clothes behind lol. not sure where you heard this but i don't think it's true.


There has been many signs.
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