This is not to come off in any aggressive way. Simply a challenge against yourself as if you were playing checkers. So dont take this as me trying to forcefully impose Christianity upon you.

It says right in the Bible (not word for word obv) that if ONE SINGLE word in the entire Bible can be dis-proven then we are to disregard the entire thing. Even anti-christian legitimate scientists/professors/historians have stated that not one thing (so far) has been dis-proven. The Bible is the only established religious text that this is true for and that is a fact. I am not stating this in any aggressive way (its hard to convey context over text), just check it out for yourself and maybe your world will be changed.

now for the part where I rile up some people
Look at this as if you were a scientist or actually trying to seek an answer. Keep an open mind in consideration. Briefly step outside your current belief system just to take a look outside the box and explore this. I am saying this because some people will just reply with their current beliefs. This is not for that. Simply look in to this and really explore this topic from an outside perspective (or as unbiasedly as possible).
I am not asking you to throw away you belief system or say what you believe in is wrong in any way. All I ask if that you explore this unbiasedly for the sake of a fair trial, if you will.
for a broad example: you may not believe that God created the Earth but it has not been certifiably dis-proven (nor proven to be fair). Dont let this be a discussion about if this happened or not though please.

This post was edited by Stealth on Mar 7 2011 01:22am

It's not hard to state things that can't be disproven.

For example in the center of the earth lives an invisible immortal man that spends all his time playing a pinball machine.


Non-believers don't have to disprove anything. When you make claims the burden of proof is on you.

How would you like it if I said you killed Mr. Smith and you were sentenced to life in prison because you couldn't disprove it despite 0 evidence being presented against you.

I find it ironic that you use the term "fair trial" in this post.

I mean seriously I can apply this same logic to Harry Potter. Can you disprove Harry Potter?

I thought that might get pointed out. It is a fair statement. Like I can Bugs Bunny created the universe and it cannot be refuted definitively, sure.

But for no other belief system is this true for throughout its entirety. It is just one more nudge to give to those seekers is all. Something to explore and examine for yourself.

This post was edited by Stealth on Mar 7 2011 01:37am

Well another problem is that Christians believe the impossible to be possible.

See to a non-believer I could simply say the bible has a talking snake in it. Snakes don't talk that is impossible. This is coherent and logical proof to any sane person who doesn't believe in talking snakes.

I would never try to argue this with a Christian though because I don't particularly enjoy banging my head against brick walls.

fair enough. Now to that same token I could say that you (you being very vague) were not there to say there was or was not a talking snake, etc. But as you said, we could go back and forth all day long and get no where. You have a point.

All I hope for is that people will explore this for themselves but be honest (to themselves) about it when trying to really be unbiased or open minded.

Do you have any examples of anything in the bible with the potential to be disproven? It's hardly unbiased and open minded if you know what you're asking us to try to do is an impossibility not necessarily because the bible is true but because it's like trying to solve a 2000 year old murder, any evidence is long gone.

Christians have tried proving portions of the bible. I've heard about noah's ark being found several times and every time many in the religious community have been very vocal about it but every time it's been disproven.



PS: I'm going to sleep, good night.

This post was edited by MCS on Mar 7 2011 01:58am

First off, I think it's funny that "keeping an open mind" always means "consider my religious beliefs" while that person has already closed their mind to the fact that their belief system might not be correct. In any case...

A scientist looks at any claim with doubt. Extraordinary theories require extraordinary evidence to substantiate them. Christianity is certainly an extraordinary theory, but we do not possess extraordinary evidence to validate belief in that theory. That's why it's called faith.

Granted, there is no proof that God didn't create the world and there is likewise no proof that He did. However, just because two statements are polar opposites of each other does not mean each statement is equally likely.

Occam's Razor would state that the simplest explanation is most likely correct unless a more complicated explanation provides greater explanatory power. Unfortunately, "God exists" is the more complicated explanation (a being/consciousness that exists outside of all the dimensions in our universe and has omnipotent control over it is pretty complex) without providing any explanatory power whatsoever ("God did it" is a cop-out answer that doesn't have any explanatory power behind it). So again, the logical conclusion is that it's probably the case that God does not exist.

As someone who started off life without religion, found it in high school, and later abandoned it again, that would be my unbiased opinion.

Brutus de satan > God. Fuck you're religion. Burn in hell.

PS: Think of this you brainwashed bitch, Adam and Eve first 2. Come upon a city of people including elderly above them. Contradicted. Lies. Who made god? Nothing can just be. No answers for alot of unsuspecting thoughts and concerns. The bible is a lie. Religion is a lie. All used for money and personal gain.

ive done this before, this is why im an atheist

i would invite you to do the same thing