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Feb 23 2011 06:53pm
You are mislead my friend, you have completely ate up everything you heard and that makes me sad. Church of Christ is a denomination. You clearly do not think so, so i went to the dictionary and guess what denominate means "to give a name to; denote" which is what naming the church of christ is, how can you not see that by naming it, it denominates it?


"You will probably deny most if not all of this even though it is plainly written by God."


You continue to attack me and i dont know why. I have never one time denied anything in the bible. We have disagreed about interpretations. That's a pretty low thing for you to say when i am on here defending what i beleive to be the truth of scripture every day.
I believe that you believe scripture, but that you are misguided. That's called not attacking people and debating the bible how i think Jesus would have wanted.
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Feb 23 2011 07:26pm
Depends... Were you two talking about the Church of Christ (the denomination) or the church of Christ (the idea that all followers of Christ are in the same unified "church"). You could both very well be right in the context of what each of you is talking about.
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Feb 23 2011 08:02pm
I have to slightly agree not with the content of what OP posted since I don't know but I do want to comment how most of your comments feel as if you are condescending towards us. It slightly has the feel of someone who is saying "I know the truth and am a better Christian than you". I know you have NEVER said those words but I do feel as if you have that approach when posting and it feels slightly abrasive and sometimes feel that overwhelming the good nature of your concerns and postings in which you want to share your interpretation of the Bible. I'm just saying that this is something I've noticed and if it's just me, then perhaps I need to check myself in the mirror but if it's others here as well then perhaps this is something where we can help you.

All in love brother! :)
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Feb 23 2011 10:07pm
I do not mean to attack anyone by what I say. My statement of "You will probably deny most if not all of this even though it is plainly written by God." was true.

What I am going to say is addressed to anyone who reads this.

The Church of Christ is simply the church that belongs to Christ. It does not have any denominational traits that denominations have today. Christ's church was established by Christ. Can anyone tell me who established the Baptist church, the Methodist church, Catholic, Mormon and so on? Man did. Ask yourself why? If Christ had already established His church, "and the bible clearly says He did" why did man have to create his own? Because people stopped worshiping the Bible way and started their own way. Then, one didn't like this, one didn't like that and soon you have division all these denominations that we have today. Why else are there so many? Ask yourself that? Pretty simple if we just stop to think about it.

Maybe I should give more examples straight from the Bible. When you read this, the Body is the Congregation "the members" it is not the building.

The Church is the Body of Christ
Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Ephesians 1:22-23
(22) And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
(23) Which is his body,
the fulness of him that filleth all in all.


And the Body is the Church of Christ
Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Colossians 2:17
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.


Jesus is the Head of the Church

Ephesians 1:22-23
(22) And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
(23) Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.


Jesus Established the Church

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Who's church, Christ church.


The Church belongs to Jesus

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. How many churches did he build? He built one, remember, one body, one church. Not anymore, so why do we have more? They surely was not authorized by Christ. Each Church of Christ acts independant of one another. I am a member of Christ church because I obeyed all His commands and the Lord added me to His church.


The Church was purchased with Jesus' own blood

Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.


The Church is to be obedient to Christ

Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. The congregation is to obey ALL of God's commands. The Lord's supper is one example. It should be done every week.

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


The Lord adds the saved to the Church

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. God adds a person to His church after they have obeyed all Christ's commands. People themselves, do not join the Church of Christ, they might "join" another church but that is the denominational method.



I have copied and pasted the following from another post because I think it is worthy here.


First of all, I do not have a church. The Lord has a church. In Matthew 16:16-19, He said He would build His church. Acts 20:28 teaches He purchased the church with His blood. The Bible only speaks of one church. The term "church of Christ" is not an identity of ourselves as simply one denomination among the thousands now in existence. Rather, it identifies Christ's church, that is to say, the church that belongs to Christ. The one He came to build and for which He gave His life.

Acts 2:47 says the Lord adds the saved to the church. Ephesians 1:22-23 and Colossians 1:18 teach there is one head (Christ) and one body (church).

Ephesians 5:23-33 utilizes 12 nouns and pronouns referring to the church, all of them singular.

Also, in this and other passages, the church is likened to the bride or the wife of Christ ( Rom 7:1-4). Therefore, to teach there is more than one church is to make Jesus a polygamist.

Please consider a few simple questions:

Can a man be saved without being reconciled to God (2 Cor 5:18-20; Eph 2:16)?

According to these verses, where is the place of reconciliation?

Is the body of Christ the church (Eph 1:22-23; Col 1:18)?

How many bodies does Jesus have (Eph 4:4)?

According to Ephesians 5:23, of what is Jesus the Savior?

Now, must one be a member of the church of Christ in order to be saved?





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Feb 23 2011 10:46pm
Yep, the Church is not a building of mansonry, and stonework.

The Church is not an Orginization.

The Church is not a Denomination.

The Church is alive.
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Feb 23 2011 11:40pm
Quote (Torm1 @ Feb 23 2011 11:46pm)
Yep, the Church is not a building of mansonry, and stonework.

The Church is not an Orginization.

The Church is not a Denomination.

The Church is alive.


That is good. <3 :)
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Feb 24 2011 06:02pm
kissofdeath i agree with everything you posted from what i saw.
I just want to you make distinctions between Christ's Church and the denomination that you are a part of called the church of christ.
It is confusing, especially over the internet.


I do not mean to attack anyone by what I say. My statement of "You will probably deny most if not all of this even though it is plainly written by God." was true.


this is a joke, i said i agree with you on most parts about this. I have never denied anything in the bible. Do you not undertand that there are different interpretations? People much wiser than both of us believe different things and if you think you have 100% found the truth there is something wrong. We should always continue to seek answers in the bible.
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Feb 24 2011 08:28pm
Quote (bryce722 @ Feb 24 2011 07:02pm)
kissofdeath i agree with everything you posted from what i saw.
I just want to you make distinctions between Christ's Church and the denomination that you are a part of called the church of christ.
It is confusing, especially over the internet.

I do not mean to attack anyone by what I say. My statement of "You will probably deny most if not all of this even though it is plainly written by God." was true.

this is a joke, i said i agree with you on most parts about this. I have never denied anything in the bible. Do you not undertand that there are different interpretations? People much wiser than both of us believe different things and if you think you have 100% found the truth there is something wrong. We should always continue to seek answers in the bible.


I agree with that 100%. As I once said I was a member of a Baptist church and was even baptized "although not by scripture" in that church. I am 44 years old and have heard a lot of things in my lifetime and still learn and like to learn and seek the answers. The gospel preachers from the Church of Christ "along with my own study, I didn't just take their word for it" have convinced me that their road to salvation is accurate according to God's word. I am now a faithful member of the Church of Christ.

I did some digging and found why some call the Church of Christ a denomination. There is an "International Church of Christ". According to what I read last night their beliefs are not even close to mine or yours actually. I can elaborate more if needed but for now I will spare you lol.
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