Step 1: Know that you're a sinner, and have sinned, guilty as charged. Therefore, are destined for hell in God's eyes.
Step 2: Find out that Jesus has made the payment and done the time for you.
Step 3: Come to salvation, humbling yourself, and letting Christ take over. Die to self.



There are actually a few coming to salvation in Jesus Christ in these last days... Brings to mind the verse:

"In those days, many will be purified and made white, but the wicked will do wickedly, and none of the wicked shall understand"

Here is Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort's Way of the Master website: http://www.wayofthemaster.com/watchwitnessing.shtml

You need to see it if you're a believer. Get equipped.

This post was edited by Torm1 on Jan 31 2011 10:20am

im glad you posted this video. after watching this it has opened my eyes even more to god and how life is. god bless u.

I appreciate the time you put into posting the video. Can you tell me everything that is involved in surrendering to Jesus? Right before the 6 minute mark it says baptism is not needed.

Can someone explain to me if God has lied when he says:

"Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Statement of Jesus in Mark 16:15-16). In this verse, Jesus specifically joins faith in the gospel message and baptism to salvation. The two verbs are joined by the conjunction "and" which places equal value on each action as necessary to receive salvation.

"Repent, and every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Peter, preaching the first gospel sermon in Acts 2:38). In this verse, repentance and baptism are joined to the reception of remission of sins and the reception of the Holy Spirit.

Additionally, how can one deny baptism when Saul of Tarsus was told in Acts 22:16 to "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord"? This verse not only shows the washing away of sins takes place in baptism, but also explains how one "calls on the name of the Lord" in order to be saved (cf Acts 2:21; Rom 10:13).

Finally, Peter's statement in 1 Peter 3:21 should put this to rest once and for all. The KJV reads, "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth now also save us." The NASB reads, "Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you -not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience - through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."

To deny the essentiality of baptism for salvation is to deny the clear statements of Jesus and the inspired writers.

I am not here to argue but to call out false doctrine.


Many of our religious friends believe once a man is saved, he can never sin or fall in such a way as to lose his salvation. This is known as the impossibility of apostasy, or more commonly, "once saved, always saved."

A verse often cited in defense of this doctrine is John 10:28, where Jesus said of his sheep, "I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." To understand the Bible properly, a verse must be read in its context, that is, by reading the verses before and/or after the one cited. In this case, we need to read verse 27, which says, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." We see two conditions given to receive eternal life and never perish: 1) hearing the voice of Jesus; and 2) following Jesus. John 10:28 is not an unconditional promise!

Going back into the Old Testament, we always find conditions placed upon the reception of God's promises (e.g. Num 21:4-9; Deut 30:1-20). This is true even among the heathen nations (Isaiah 19). Therefore, we must not allow verses to be torn from their context to teach anything contrary to the will of God.

The Bible clearly teaches the reality and possibility of apostasy. Jesus said, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt 10:22). Conversely, it makes sense to say, "he who does not endure to the end will not be saved." To "endure" is to persevere. The meaning is obvious; Jesus is commanding faithfulness in order to receive salvation. Note the command is given to the twelve apostles, including Judas Iscariot, who later betrayed Jesus and subsequently committed suicide. Oftentimes, when one ceases to live the "Christian" life, it is said "He never was saved in the first place." Will they apply this "reasoning" to Judas? If so, Jesus personally chose and sent out a man who was never saved to preach the kingdom of heaven (Matt 10:7). He also empowered this same lost man with the ability to "heal the sick, cleanse lepers, raise the dead, and cast out demons" (Matt 10:8). Who is willing to believe this? The only alternative is to contend that Judas' sin didn't cause him to be lost. Therefore we ask, "Can a man betray Jesus, commit suicide, and still be saved?" Again, who is will defend this? Finally, in John 17, Jesus said: "Those whom you gave Me I have kept, and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled" (v 12). The twelve were given to Jesus and all were kept but one, and he is described as being lost. How can something be "lost" if it was never possessed to begin with?

Paul wrote, ‘Christ is become of no effect unto you who attempt to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace.' (Gal 5:4). This was written to the church (1:1-2). How can one misunderstand this? If one is saved by grace (Eph 2:5, 8), and one falls from that grace, does it not follow that one is no longer saved? If not, why not?

Many other texts teach the possibility of apostasy (2 Pet 2:20-22; Heb 3:12; 10:38-39, etc). When one reads these, he can come to no other conclusion. Let's strive to always accept what the Bible says in spite of what we may believe or have been taught by others.

i think the guy in the video is talking about being baptized as a newborn baby. jesus didnt get baptized as a child he was baptized when he found john the baptist later on in his life. plus the guy in the video is saying as baptizing is not the core thing that saves you beyond doubt.

Im not sure what he is talking about. I do know he said baptism is not needed and is not what saves. God does have a plan of salvation for everyone. It is clearly laid out and you cannot choose just one or a few. Don't take my word for it, look it up. Here are six steps man must take in order to be saved.

1. You must HEAR the message of the gospel (Romans 10:17).

2. You must BELIEVE that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (John 8:24 and Mark 16:16)

3. You must REPENT of your sins (Luke 13:2 and Acts 17:30).

4. You must CONFESS with your mouth your faith in Christ (Acts 8:37 and Romans 10:9-10).

5. You must be BABTIZED into Christ for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38; Romans 6:3-4 and 1 Peter 3:21).

6 Finally, you must live a FAITHFUL Christian life of continuous service in the church of the Lord (Acts2:47; 1 Corinthians 4:2; 15:58; 2 Timothy 2:2; Hebrews 10:23-25 and Revalation 2:10).

Krassen, this is not meant directly for you. It for anyone who reads it. Also keep in mind I am in no way trying to be hostile. I bring this with love for my fellow man. Always remember you cannot hear the tone of someones voice while reading words.

It didn't change my life but i must say it kept me damn intrigued i was about to go make some popcorn but then thought to myself, hey if this is all true than this god is a hater and he definitely wouldn't allow me to go get some popcorn cause that would be rude, so i didn't

so explain this lol...


If you break one of gods commandments and you are therefore imperfect and he can't let you in heaven. And in so purfiying yourself by kneeling at the feet of christ and asking for forgiveness ie. accepting Yahweh and whatnot - or whatever you believe. You still sin after you've done so... does that make you imperfect again and also unworthy of entrance to heaven? What then might I ask procures permanent salvation? because according to that video if you go before him and humble yourself it only guarantees temporary passage. Based on a concept that seems ridiculous.

Once the transformation occurs once and for all, you don't want to sin. You hate sin.

"Dead to the self, alive in Christ."

also

"If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation, the old has gone and the new has come."

also

"Therefore, put off the old man (old flesh) that you might live for righteousness in Christ."

Jesus said to the woman who was accused of adultery:

"I don't condemn you either, but now go your way and sin no more."

This post was edited by Torm1 on Feb 7 2011 06:01pm

You are absolutly right to question what you have heard.

Many of our religious friends believe once a man is saved, he can never sin or fall in such a way as to lose his salvation. This is known as the impossibility of apostasy, or more commonly, "once saved, always saved."
A verse often cited in defense of this doctrine is John 10:28, where Jesus said of his sheep, "I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." To understand the Bible properly, a verse must be read in its context, that is, by reading the verses before and/or after the one cited. In this case, we need to read verse 27, which says, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." We see two conditions given to receive eternal life and never perish: 1) hearing the voice of Jesus; and 2) following Jesus. John 10:28 is not an unconditional promise!

Going back into the Old Testament, we always find conditions placed upon the reception of God's promises (e.g. Num 21:4-9; Deut 30:1-20). This is true even among the heathen nations (Isaiah 19). Therefore, we must not allow verses to be torn from their context to teach anything contrary to the will of God.

The Bible clearly teaches the reality and possibility of apostasy. Jesus said, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt 10:22). Conversely, it makes sense to say, "he who does not endure to the end will not be saved." To "endure" is to persevere. The meaning is obvious; Jesus is commanding faithfulness in order to receive salvation. Note the command is given to the twelve apostles, including Judas Iscariot, who later betrayed Jesus and subsequently committed suicide.

Oftentimes, when one ceases to live the "Christian" life, it is said "He never was saved in the first place." Will they apply this "reasoning" to Judas? If so, Jesus personally chose and sent out a man who was never saved to preach the kingdom of heaven (Matt 10:7). He also empowered this same lost man with the ability to "heal the sick, cleanse lepers, raise the dead, and cast out demons" (Matt 10:8). Who is willing to believe this? The only alternative is to contend that Judas' sin didn't cause him to be lost. Therefore we ask, "Can a man betray Jesus, commit suicide, and still be saved?" Again, who is will defend this? Finally, in John 17, Jesus said: "Those whom you gave Me I have kept, and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled" (v 12). The twelve were given to Jesus and all were kept but one, and he is described as being lost. How can something be "lost" if it was never possessed to begin with?

Paul wrote, ‘Christ is become of no effect unto you who attempt to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace.' (Gal 5:4). This was written to the church (1:1-2). How can one misunderstand this? If one is saved by grace (Eph 2:5, 8), and one falls from that grace, does it not follow that one is no longer saved? If not, why not?
Many other texts teach the possibility of apostasy (2 Pet 2:20-22; Heb 3:12; 10:38-39, etc). When one reads these, he can come to no other conclusion. Let's strive to always accept what the Bible says in spite of what we may believe or have been taught by others.

BUT!! Christianscan indeed be forgiven if they sin after obeying the gospel. There are many passages that teach this. Consider 1 John 1:7-10, a text written specifically to Christians:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. KJV

Each verse specifically states Christians will sin after they obey the gospel. John continued as recorded in chapter 2:

1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:1-2 KJV

Note again a clear reference to Christians who sin after receiving initial forgiveness.

Hebrews 10 concerns willful sins for which one will not repent or confess before God. A deliberate sin is one committed in full knowledge of its wrongfulness, and with an unrelenting and unrepentant heart. So long as one continues in a willful sin, he can have no forgiveness of that sin, or any other sin he may commit.

The key is repentance and confession of sin before God. Look at 1 John 1:9 again. God will forgive any sin we are willing to confess before Him.

Peter committed a sin against the Gentile brethren according to Galatians 2:11ff. Peter knew better than to do what he did, and Paul rebuked him publicly. Peter later wrote two great books of the New Testament. The difference was his willingness to repent and turn back to God.

To be forgiven you must be a Christian first, a real Christian.

The word Christian means "one who belongs to Christ." Galatians 3:26-29 says:

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. KJV

Verse 26 says we are God's children when we are in Christ;
Verse 27 says we get into Christ by being baptized into Christ;
Verse 28 says all who are in Christ are one;
Verse 29 says these who are one belong to Christ.

Therefore, one must be baptized to be a child of God, to be in Christ, and to belong to Christ.

I said this earlier:

God does have a plan of salvation for everyone. Here are six steps man must take in order to be saved and be a true Christain.


1. You must HEAR the message of the gospel (Romans 10:17).

2. You must BELIEVE that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (John 8:24 and Mark 16:16)

3. You must REPENT of your sins (Luke 13:2 and Acts 17:30).

4. You must CONFESS with your mouth your faith in Christ (Acts 8:37 and Romans 10:9-10).

5. You must be BAPTIZED into Christ for the remission of sins (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Romans 6:3-4 and 1 Peter 3:21).

6 Finally, you must live a FAITHFUL Christian life of continuous service in the church of the Lord (Acts2:47; 1 Corinthians 4:2; 15:58; 2 Timothy 2:2; Hebrews 10:23-25 and Revalation 2:10).

This post was edited by Kisssofdeath on Feb 7 2011 08:35pm

It's something we can debate vigorously, but not something that we as Christians will divide over.

Thanks for your input, kissofdeath.