before hand, I am sorry if my english is a little bad and this post is not to insult anyone and I am too a believer of god

I find that it disturbs me that all too many people( Christian and other believes ) think that god has part of our world still

as i recall from my teaching and reading in the bibel is that god is not of this world anymore ( do correct me if I am wrong)

this is our world,, our choices,, god does not stop people that are evil and that is a *fact*
we do! and why should he?

we all have the choice

free will

life is a sin,,, but life is good


things that can make me pissed off is when you watch tv where alot have died in a train accident ( may they rest in peace ) and you see those whom did not die and they thank god couse they survired!
just! what the fuck! are they saying that god choise only to save them and let alot of others die? that is just bullshit to me... its a simple thing of luck wrong or right place and your actions..

now that is only 1 of many examples

it is a question of faith is it not? as that is what I heard from most I try talking about this.. they cant really explain it.. god works in mysteries ways most say.. ..........

the holy spirit is a part of this world and more involved in things than u and i or anyone can know
god still has control over things, we may still have our wills
but god uses the bad things that we do for better, one really good example of this in the bible is Joseph's life - he was sold into slavery by his brothers who were jealous of him, although with this betrayal,
God used this to bring him into the land of egypt and get into a powerful position, he was second in command to the pharaoh, he was able to save a whole nation from a famine, not only that but he also saved his whole family
they too were affected by the famine, if he never was sold into slavery, none of this would have happened
some people look at death as a bad thing.. but simply put, it's just a transition to the next life
that's because some people may have the view that death is the end of life... of everything!
they don't have the mindset like u and i that after death you either go to heaven or hell
life is not a sin, it's a gift from god, everything is a gift from god, it's how we use it.. for example, sex is good but not outside the boundaries of marriage, drugs and alcohol are good but not when they're abused, food is good but not when it's gluttony

and yes tryin to explain this is like explaining god, you simply cannot
our simple minds cant fathom it
we are like ants to him, much more like little bacteria, we only see what we need and want on this world
we can't fathom the whole picture

you got alot passion for this which is allways nice to hear, when I saw you posting this I was not thinking you were for real.. not from what I seen in your other post

regardless I am need to think a little bit before replying

and yes tryin to explain this is like explaining god, you simply cannot
our simple minds cant fathom it
we are like ants to him, much more like little bacteria, we only see what we need and want on this world
we can't fathom the whole picture

we cant explain god but I do not agreed on the rest of it,, everything can be explained and understood its only a matter of time teaching and the will to learn nothing is impossible


the holy spirit is a part of this world and more involved in things than u and i or anyone can know
god still has control over things, we may still have our wills
but god uses the bad things that we do for better, one really good example of this in the bible is Joseph's life - he was sold into slavery by his brothers who were jealous of him, although with this betrayal,
God used this to bring him into the land of egypt and get into a powerful position, he was second in command to the pharaoh, he was able to save a whole nation from a famine, not only that but he also saved his whole family
they too were affected by the famine, if he never was sold into slavery, none of this would have happened
some people look at death as a bad thing.. but simply put, it's just a transition to the next life
that's because some people may have the view that death is the end of life... of everything!
they don't have the mindset like u and i that after death you either go to heaven or hell
life is not a sin, it's a gift from god, everything is a gift from god, it's how we use it.. for example, sex is good but not outside the boundaries of marriage, drugs and alcohol are good but not when they're abused, food is good but not when it's gluttony

there is alot true in what you say and its well put a good story from the bibel I remember it all clear,,, however things are not allways like that.. and that is also the point of it,,

the bibel is a guide,, not a law,, it is a choice.. life is what you make of it,, and life is a sin,, our free will our lust our evil if only a little,,, but jesus forgives you
that is if you truely regret your sins of couse

life is not a sin, it's a gift from god, everything is a gift from god, it's how we use it.. for example, sex is good but not outside the boundaries of marriage, drugs and alcohol are good but not when they're abused, food is good but not when it's gluttonyalcohol/drugs/ maybe a little on the food part is all true and I agreed on this

however on the matter the boundaries of marriage,, this is just wrong.. this is choice,, it is a sin I get it but.. there are still alot bigger sins then that.. marriage today often dont last.. and then again why get yourself tied down all too fast? enjoy life and be good to others ,, we all make sins.. but I have it like this.. 1 bad thing can be restored by doing a good thing and of couse praying,,, but sins like killing ... biggers sins are.. well this is not for me to say..

This post was edited by haloneya on Dec 4 2010 09:35am

i think we see things differently

by that you are correct

we all are different

and yet.. we are so alike

lets see if other people has something to say about this

as i understand it

we have free will. by god affecting us we would not have free will. god does not meddle in the affairs of humans. god does however meet with satan (see job) who does have the ability to influence us.

this world is one of sin.

interesting point of view

dont really agreed on the satan part... but mayby what you speak of is balence?

no. in job. satan meets with god. and they plan to destroy the things close to him (wife,kids,crops,livestock) as a test.

i met it as literally as possible.

Job 1:9-12

9 Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason? 10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.” 12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

This post was edited by zeratul87 on Dec 4 2010 01:23pm

ahhh I allmost forgot about that tale.. its sorta weird but it has a meaning to it

google found something I like to say


A Protestant is a Christian who follows any other denomination of Christianity than Roman Catholicism. The Protestant Reformation was started by a friar named Martin Luther when he nailed his 95 theses to the door of his local church. The theses were comprised of aspects that Luther found wrong with the Catholic Church. The most widely known and realized of these is the idea that a person doesn't need the church for salvation. They just need faith in Jesus, and his sacrifice to die for our sins.




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