I've been raised as a christian and have been going to church from 0-17. I believe and God, and that Christ saved us. I do have a question or two. What is wrong with drinking alcohol or having sex? Why? In the bible it obviously says that "drinking too much wine" is bad, and premarital sex is obviously "wrong" in christian views, I've been taught this. I want to know why. Also, another large point. A lot of things posted in the bible are irrelevant, and don't match up with society, as seen on this page. (http://www.fallwell.com/selectivequotation.html) Why should I believe sex or alcohol is wrong? Sure it's put in the bible, and I believe of the stories/events in the bible, but what if premarital sex being wrong is out of date like many of the things on the page I posted? What if it is just put there to prevent STD's/unwanted pregnancies? Please sort this out for me, I'll try to keep an open mind.

-Waldo

This post was edited by CrimsonEagle on Nov 4 2010 08:17pm

Premarital sex is wrong because sex, in its essence, is for reproduction, not for pleasure. It is only when you marry, that you should have sex. The intimacy and love you have with your spouse is what is suppose to make sex pleasurable. Also, the bible states that there is nothing wrong with alcohol, except when it is in excess. The bible condemns drunkenness and the actions provoked by drunkenness. Our judgement is impaired when we are intoxicated, and in turn, we are more inclined to be sinful.

Alcohol is wrong for different reasons.

First and foremost cuz it makes you forget about your responsibilities and opens the door for temptations and other sins. Families are getting broken, people die either directly because of it or indirectly through accidents, unwanted pregnancies and sexual diseases, and it's toxic for pretty much every organ of your body. What's the price you pay risking all theses negatives for a few hours of pseudo-fun? If you actually want to have fun in your life, it shouldn't involve substances that make you flee from reality. Enjoy life while you're actually conscious of yourself and your surrounding. People need to flee for their lives and their spiritual emptiness, so they turn to theses things that make them forget about their futile lives. And the cycle repeats itself.

Sex itself isn't wrong, rather like everything else there are rules to it. Extra marital sex leads to what you see today. 60 million people have been infected with HIV since it's appearance, half of them died until now. It's been 25 years governments are pumping money like crazy, scientists are working their assess off to find a cure, and still today they don't have a cure for it and they are not even close to it. I don't need to talk about the rest of the sexually transmitted diseases. It's spreading at an uncontrollable rate, due to promiscuity. You'll hear people say we can protect ourselves, you will also hear from theses same people that one can control himself from drinking too much alcohol. No you can't. Fact is, theses same people couldn't stop the urge from drinking alcohol when sober. And let's not forget every person who abuses alcohol knows that "moderation is key" (lies). And the whole debate concerning abortion exists because of this promiscuousness. They made fetuses worthless and turned it into nothing but a parasitic lump of cells in order to reduce their guilt and again, walk away from their problems, just like they do with alcohol, weed, etc.

Also, sit down and think and look around you. Do you find that relationships that are happening around you are actually healthy psychologically? People lie in the name of love to get into each other's pants, and when shit happens or someone's bored, he/she goes to someone else. This cycle of love/brakeup is by itself devestating for one's mental balance. You know why? Because in the end, love and trust are but words without meaning. What 90% of the people do when they get backstabbed/cheated on? Take precautions, stop trusting people, become more selfish. Apply that tendency to 50% of the population, you end up getting what we got now, 40-50% rate of divorce.

Anyways

I'm Muslim, I figured I could answer as well since this also applies to us. Sry text is a bit scrambled, I usually write better than this.

peace

This post was edited by Haitham on Nov 4 2010 08:54pm

Sex is supposed to be special - something to share with only one person, which in effect enhances it. I wouldn't say it is solely for reproduction, but that it is also something sacred that binds one to another.

Alcohol in excess is a sin because it clouds judgment. If you are under the influence you are not necessarily making good decisions.

Gods law is unchanging , it is never out of date .

drinking alcohol and having sex is given to us from god.
although it is, it should not be abused like many things god has given us on this earth.
does god give us drugs to help us with our pain? yes, but should we be poppin prescription pills like cereal? no, there are medicinal purposes for such things
is drinking alcohol wrong? no, it says in the bible that paul told timothy to drink a little bit of alcohol to help his stomache... now, does a little bit of alcohol damage your body? no, it's the abuse and fervent use of it
also, there is alcohol even in nyquil, consuming nyquil doesn't mean you've sinned
now, to draw the line between what is merely excessive verses medicinal, - if you don't NEED it, don't take it, now alcoholics will claim - "we NEED this" mmm no! you don't need it, your mind is playing tricks on you to hide your inner thoughts that you don't want to deal with

as far as sex is concerned, supposedly, it doesn't even require a man touching another woman to commit adultery
you simply just have to look in lust, ok, that happens daily, i'm a man, i like boobs and ass...
but seriously, jesus said it himself.. it's wrong and nobody is perfect, you'd have to see sin as God sees it

the issue between this is that God has given every man and woman his or her soul mate, now, if someone is checkin out your soul mate or has had sex with your soul mate wouldn't you be kinda pissed?
why do you think there's so many fights over chicks and visa versa from girls fighting over guys
if you go sleep with another woman, you're robbing that from your future spouse, you don't see it, but God sees it because he knows the future
when you're married, you and your spouse are one flesh and you own each other, would your future spouse like you having sex with other girls?

I would like to believe this, but did you read the link that I posted? Shaving/shrimp are an abomination...

Good point, but I'm trying to find the "christian" answer to this question. I don't see it as a huge deal if my fiance had sex with someone prior to meeting me, and I wouldn't expect them to wait.

This post was edited by CrimsonEagle on Nov 5 2010 01:33pm

What I received out of your message was: Alcohol messes with your judgement, messes with responsibilities, and can tear people apart. I also received the message that relationships are bad, mess with mental stability, and lead to future divorce? I disagree, I have been dating my girlfriend for 17 months, we don't have sex. I respect her choice to stay abstinent, and when she is ready I'll be here. The relationship hasn't messed with my mental stability, but I will grant you that you were right about terms like "love" being used too loosely. In terms of alcohol, a lot of that does happen, but usually to alcoholics. I am not an alcoholic (although underage), I choose to drink socially occasionally. (under 15 times in my life, and I'm about to be 18) And you stated that you can't control the urge to drink, to that I strongly disagree. I like to drink for the "pleasures of the flesh" you could say, but one point I'd like to make: God placed the materials for us to do this. He said overuse of drinking = bad, not controlled.

I don't mean to sound rude, sorry if I did. Let me know what you think ^^ and thanks for your opinion/help

Thank you for very clearly answering my question about alcohol. Very well done, thank you. I got out of this: don't do it excessively/maintain a good balance. Don't drink like crazy, got it. And in terms of sex, I'm looking for a quote/something directly from the bible saying that sex is bad. And if you find that, why is it different than not shaving? Or eating shrimp?

If certain things in the bible aren't credible, how do I know what is?


btw, I don't know how to make link work. On google, type in "fundamentalists selectively quote the bible", first link that pops up.

This post was edited by CrimsonEagle on Nov 5 2010 01:39pm