First, I realize that my jsp appearance is less than adequate for this section, but try to look past that.
Basically, I am open to all ideas and theories. And although I find opinions important, I do not find them credible without proof.
I made this thread in Pard, thinking it may draw atttention from both sides of the fence. I was wrong.
So if any of you are bored, please read through and give your opinion, here or there, on the subject as a whole or just individual parts.
The thirst for understanding the viewpoint of evolutionists has been demolished by how they have been responding to me.
I would also like to know how I am the ignorant one, I really was trying to understand. My collection of learned data is not extravagant, but I'm trying.

here is the thread I am talking of.
http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=43889495&f=119

thank you in advance for your time.

The Theory of Evolution, which is derived by logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence, is the cornerstone of modern Biological science. There are actually many people who believe in Creation and who also accept the Theory of Evolution because Evolution is not concerned with how life came to be. If you support Creation, then you more than likely have a beef with Abiogenesis, not the Theory of Evolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

edit: added link

This post was edited by csullivan on May 26 2010 12:48pm

I have read up on the abiogenesis theory. which is more specifically pointing towards the origin of life. I do not have one side of this fence that I heavily lean upon though.
I believe in natural selection with the ability to change the future.(physically, mentally, and perhaps beyond comprehension)
Evolution itself is proven and I can believe it. but to the point of it being the origin of life, I simply do not know and just wish to discuss it without people getting angry that I have not reached a decision on what to believe.

so u post something named Evolution VS. Creationism and then u say they dont make conflict with eachother and both can be believed

Though, you must keep in mind that according to creationism, man is made perfectly -- without flaw. We are made in the image of God; our forms are static (according to Creationism).

first off i think everything about evolution is proven except it changing an animal to a different animal. first. it wouldnt take millions or billions of years to make a piece of grass into a human, it would take trillions of years judging from the speed of the mutation of a life form.

yeah that was adam and eve. after the banishment from garden of eden (the curse) we start to degrade outside the garden. the garden was a place where you could live forever. protected from death.

both can be believed by opinion of course.
I did not say I believe either to be the origin of life.(I am speaking of both of these as the origin of life. not generally)



what ever happened to this garden anyways?

a flood happend

but to keep the peeps from going back in there before the flood there was a cherubim or somehting like that put there to guard the gates. four headed beast that saw in every direction ( so u cant jump the gate or something ;P).

Cherubim (which is the plural of cherub) were celestial angelic beings in the spiritual realm.

They are always associated with the holiness of God. When Adam sinned cherubim were stationed at the entrance to the Garden of Eden to guard the way to the Tree of Life. They represent the righteous government of God, and are the executers of God's righteous and holy judgment. The Cherubim are revealed by Ezekiel in chapter 1:5-10 as four living creatures, each one having 4 different faces, the face of a man, lion, ox, and eagle.

'The Cherubim'

This post was edited by Krassen on May 26 2010 10:20pm

I may be wrong, it has been a long time since I was devoted to the faith... but wasn't it claimed as a fiery sword to guard the garden?
also, by flood, do you think this was completely wiped from this planet? Maybe traces of this place still exists? I'd find something as holy as the tree of life hard to destroy.(idk though)