I need some clarification, by someone who may have a better understanding then me on this topic.

Who comes first?

The Anti-christ

Or

Jesus "second coming"


Its my understanding that Anti-christ will happend/come first.
Jews will receive the Anti-christ
John 5:43

I think that the Anti-christ but wait to contrastable answers.

This post was edited by Miguel_Angel on Jun 24 2025 04:23pm

Sodom came before it was destroyed no?

Maybe the same.

1 vote for anti

Glory be to God. Our blessed Lord and God, for ever. In Jesus Name, Amen.

1 John 2
King James Version
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

Try reading the Bible to get your answer

Bible says earth is round

ding ding ding. The voice of reason right here
The question is... how would I know? This isn't a belief. The distinction is important.

Rabbi Yehoshua was a Jew himself as i understand it. Born as a kath. I left the Comunity 20 Years agoo. After that i pray too Jesus and i still call him by that Name if i pray. But i dont need to pray, just all ~3 Years i need Help. An he does. He helped me too find a very spezial Woman and i have a Chindren who is 12 years old.
I study about Jesus and about the Years between Jesus dead and the 4 Centuary. Atm the 5 Centuarys before Jesus was born.
He was a good Person with good Ideas. Its ok too think He was God. But i think He was a human with good Ideas, and he never turn away frow been Jewish. So i read Jewish Books since 2 Years and the original Bibel who Jews call Tanach most known as Tora what are the 5 Books of Mosche (Moses) as a part of the Tanach. The most i like the Talmud but it is not that easy too read.
Spezial i like the original Names from the Persons like Yehoshua ore Yeshua. But ofcourse there is no 2 Testament in the hebrew Bible.
Few Years agoo i was a small time in a Gnostic Zirkel who is also a good think.
I have personaly no Problems with Christians. I was 2 Month agoo in a katholik Church @Sunday and it was a very good Hour.
Im very sad about the Anti-jewish thinks the Church sayed about the Jew spezial about Judas and so i think the Churches hade the most
responsibility fore the Jews who was killed and for the bad thinks happend in the 2 War (im from Germany) too.
The good think is a change i See in the last Decades in the Church. Sad think, not in every Church.
The roots of Christian and islam is the Jewish Religion.
So i hope there is a Chance too become together in the Future but i think i will found 1000 Stones of Jordan bevore everyone understand it.
Baal also u can read in the Jewish Books. But the Books didnt drop a Harle ore somethink. Just good Ideas.
If the kath. Church change more in the Future and can not handle too become a Member of the liberal Jews a second Way is maby go back too the Katholik Church.
Understand my right, please. Everyone who belive in God ore JHWH ore Allah ore ....the Force like Skywalker, doesnt matter. We all Human and the Future is too find Ways too live together in Pease and importand Human Rights for everyone in Planet Earth and the 3 Waypoint of Act 4 too, ofcourse.

Antichrist ore Second Jesus.. i think this Pictures and Ideas just a Part of all of us. All Humans have a good and a bad Part. And Religions like we know it ore like Schaman thinks ore this Laotse Konfuzius thinks in China, just a Way for the Humans in the last Millenniums about 5 thousend ?!? Years too become better Persons.
Since few Sentuaris we have the Sientists in the Middle of thinking, but religions will i think ever a important Part of us. It may will become on think together with Philosophy thinkings.
It went too a right way. Worst think is we have Wars around the World.
I dont know why this still hapend in the Year 2025.

And christian People please dont understand it false. Im some Kind of Christian but i just feel it in a Jewish opinion.
And my Heart Tell my it is right too belive in the Jewish Yehoshua and call him Jesus if i want too. There is onli a little think too change to become a Jew Member and i dont want too do that. Dont want too say it. So its sad but i maby will never become a "liberal Jew" member, but i look around maby there is a Way.
Noone need to belive it how i do. Its just my point of view.
And after 20 Years im sure i will never find a Stone of Jordan also :/
Freedom, Healty and Pease too everyone who read this.
Sorry for my bad English but i realy like Elvis a lot and New Orleands is Hands up

I'll help you out on why there might be some issues

Not to worried about Jews.

Most Jews don't believe in the Bible or God The ones that do will twist the story to fit their needs to prevent them having to believe.

For instance. Jesus's fulfillment of Messianic prophecys

(The 3rd Temple is the Christian Church)

What they don't understand is that Jesus was their messiah and the Jews who weren't too proud or too stubborn to recognize him as such became Christians. The rabbis deny the scripture. They wanted it to mean what they wanted.They don't understand that it is only confusing because they deny the possibility that Christians are the fulfillment of the Jewish prophecies

Those who deny Christ get the treatment reserved for those who deny the messiah and the prophets

Read the Bible, it says what will happen to them. Guess what...it did...