Quote (Kisssofdeath @ Feb 26 2011 04:49pm)

Did you happen read the first reply on this page?  It is reply #81.  Baptism saves us.  Clearly says it in 1 Peter 3:21.  Peter 3:21 (King James Version) "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us(not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"


Baptism is for the remission or forgiveness of sin, that is clearly stated in Acts 2:38 where it says, "Acts 2:38 (King James Version) "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptizedevery one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

I can't understand how someone can read this and say baptism is not needed for the remission of sin.  Do you believe what God says or what man says?

Quote (AsianChexMix @ Feb 26 2011 06:56pm)

Here is my question then. Baptism is the remission or forgiveness of sins according to your definition, yes? Then explain the need for Jesus to get baptized. He had no sin in Him and yet still got baptized.

Quote (Kisssofdeath @ Feb 26 2011 11:42am)

I didn't have much time in my last reply.

The words, picture and symbol replaces the words The like figure In the KJV when it says " The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" (1 Peter 3:21 KJV)

The words picture and symbol replaces the words There is also an antitype In the NKJV when it says "There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," (1 Peter 3:21 NKJV)

To understand this we have to go back and pick up the previous verses. I will use the NIV since that was one of the versions that was quoted from.

1 Peter 3:18-22 (New International Version 1984, ©1984)
18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

What is being said here is, it is the water that saves you now "through baptism" just like the water saved Noah and his family. If not why was Noah referenced here? Because he was giving an example of how the water saved Noah and his family just like water baptism will also save you. I believe this can be understand if a person reads starting with verse 18 as shown above.

BUT!! we are missing the main point here. I am going to quote from all 4 versions and let us see what has not changed.

1 peter 3:21 NLT
And that water is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body, but as a response to God from[a] a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

1 peter 3:21 NIV
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[a] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

1 Peter 3:21 KJV
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us(not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

1 Peter 3:21 NKJV
There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Now, what does the water do? All 4 versions say baptism saves us. What kind of baptism? Water baptism! Now, according to any of these verses, which come directly from God, does anyone believe they are saved if they are not baptized? AND baptized for what? Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." My friends, if you are not baptized for the remission of sin, you still remain in your sin. I honestly do not see how it can be any clearer than this.

It is not this.

baptism is a public profession of our faith. simply put.
It is us declaring we now live for the Lord, it is good to be baptized, and is a good work, but it is not necessary for salvation.

Quote (bryce722 @ Feb 28 2011 03:22pm)

water is a picture of the baptism that saves us: the baptism of the holy spirit by jesus christ. Water is a symbol of the baptism that saves. To me that is pretty clear from those verses.

Quote (Kisssofdeath @ Feb 28 2011 07:06pm)

LOL, this is like beating a dead horse.  You totally ignore the bold sections.  You refuse to believe even when I use your own examples and explain it as clearly as I can.  I don't think I can do anymore to help you.

Quote (bryce722 @ Mar 1 2011 02:31am)

so you laughed out loud when you read my post? weird sense of humor you have their.
i do not need your help i need Christ's help; 1 cor 3: 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in Gods eyes.
You refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that you could be wrong. You are set in your ways and that is a dangerous place to be in. Always remember there are wiser and more godly men than you that believe opposite, it will keep you humble. I have always acknowledged the things i post are my opinion based on scripture, and they are the things i think God has taught me. That is all we can do.
You have no argument for acts 10: 44-48. Baptism is a symbol.

Quote (bryce722 @ Mar 1 2011 03:20am)

I cant edit again, but here is what is on my mind.
I have proved you wrong with scripture with no avail. I wish we could simply stop arguing about this but i can't allow you to spread this belief through this forum without it being challenged by the opposing belief.
You really need to meditate and think about

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

Instead of immediately thinking about what your response is going to be, read the verse like you are reading it for the first time. Your argument to this was beyond weak. What you said was that these were some of the things we need to be saved. The problem with that statement is that is not what the bible says. The bible clearly says confess and belief equal salvation. To ignore that is blind.
Now NO WHERE in scripture can you show me a verse that says we must be baptized with water to be saved. Every time it is a command to associate yourself with the church. Every time it associates baptism with salvation it is with the holy spirit aka belief.

You said: show me where the word "symbol" is in the bible, and i did. Then your response was that you didnt use that version. You're looking for ways to justify your belief instead of looking for your belief in the bible.

I'll say this one more time, i wish we could just acknowledge that we disagree, but sadly since there are not very many posters in this section i feel that i have a responsibility to spread what i see as scriptural truth throughout this section.