That's what I kinda think. It doesn't make sense to pick and choose which parts you like and disregard the rest. That's the main reason I think religious people are crazy, but I guess it's only the ones that fully believe every word of the bible. If there can be like hybrid christians...that's not nearly as bad.

I just don't get how people can deny proof if someone holds it in front of their face...I don't get it, but I guess there's some christians that feel the same way. Maybe the christians that believe every word of the bible are just the ones in the south that live in the societies that are strictly taught from birth that the bible is the only real thing...and if that's so, I'm sorry to hear that.

Conviction, I guarantee you have done many things that the bible says not to. Maybe you think you've prayed to God for forgiveness or something for every thing you've done but I promise you, you've done things that you didn't magically make go away by praying. If a person is religious, they are a hypocrite.

This post was edited by vinster on Sep 8 2010 04:56pm

ok first off, do you ever watch the history channel? in just about every culture in teh world if you trace back to their origins, there is a record of a giant flood of some sort, although man's own corruption of the account is differentiated, they still have a basic idea of a deluge



those laws found in Leviticus is for the jews, because they were God's special people, many of those laws as well had some scientific facts if you really want to know bout that read NONE OF THESE DISEASES by S. I. McMILLEN, M.D. http://www.trosch.org/the/circumcision-cancer.pdf
he has some insightful thoughts on topics such as, circumcision on the eighth day... he states that the baby does not start producing Prothrombin (a clotting factor) until he is eight days old, NOW, MODERN SCIENCE WAS NOT AROUND AT THAT TIME, they would not have known that a certain molecule in the body allowed a baby to survive circumcision - circumcision was also helpful because it prevents bacterial growth in the foreskin, now again, these people had no scientific knowledge of why God wanted them to do this but they trusted him, and now science is just figuring out why God wanted them to do things such as keeping Lepers away from the camp, God knew how Leprosy transmitted itself, so that is why he told them to do this, the people believed and did as he said even though they did not know scientifically what the point of it was, the fact that they could not eat pork may have had something to do with the Trichomonis bacteria in which if pork is not properly cooked, it is fatal for someone to ingest



yes if you truly are a christian you must believe in every word of the bible to be true, otherwise the person who wrote it (God) is a liar, and who knows what else he could be lying about

i'm actually from the north, although i respect the south for having a conservatist view on things

I guarantee and vouch you that I have many thing that the bible says not to do, but as i said before, when the bible says in countless many verses that your sins are forgiven they are forgiven, even the new ones that you commit today
if you want a list of those verses then i will gladly get a list of them for you

and yes, religious people can be hypocritical, i've seen it even in Christian circles - and actually, i've heard it has the highest of all other religions
but what i'm trying to tell you is that there's a difference between Christianity the religion and Christianity the personal relationship with Jesus Christ
Christianity the religion is something many people tend to shun and is man's made up order of how he should praise God - when i say Christians i'm talking bout Christians who have a personal relationship with jesus Christ
i'm not trying to be a hyprocrite at all, i know i've done many things that are undeserving of me going to heaven and things that i'm continually doing each day, but when Jesus said he's forgiven me of ALL of my sins, he's forgiven ALL of my sins (past, present, future, little sins, big sins, dreadful sins) - this doesn't clear me from any sins that i should go around murdering people just because i am forgiven of all my sins, no, once you have truly accepted jesus, there is a new birth, there is a want to do the things that he would have u to do
take for example a newly married couple - the man likes to be up late and chill with his buddies, but when he is married, he wants to please his wife, he wants to show her that he loves her, ofcourse he still wants to chill with his buddies but he loves his wife more, so in essence, Christians love Christ because he first loved us
there is also a want to tell others, God wants Christians to tell others about him, do you honestly think i would type this up and use up my valuable time if i didn't care? ofc i care, i could be hanging out with my buddies right now

Just because similar myths are found in different cultures doesn't mean it really happened. Similar gods are found throughout the world but that doesn't make them real. If it really happened we would see it in the geological record, but there is no such evidence of it happening. Keep holding onto outmoded and silly beliefs that are only 'proven' by pseudo-science and straight up lies.

This post was edited by AEtheric on Sep 8 2010 05:39pm

AEtheric,

Please explain what you understand the big bang theory to be, and its relationship to this redshift theory.

Conviction,

How can you say that some things in the Bible are incorrect/obsolete because of science, but others can't possibly be? Make up your mind, please.

Edit: Conviction, do you believe in slavery?

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)




I'm not even going to reexplain this to you, since I already did earlier. Here's the quote:



Edit:
And Vinster, how can you sit there poking at deficiencies in other's beliefs, while you quickly dismiss deficiencies in yours with a simple, "I don't know but someone else must?"

This post was edited by Subdue on Sep 8 2010 05:46pm

The relation of the big bang to the theory of redshift is that light has been observed to shift further red in wavelength, and they attribute this shift towards red in wavelength to the expansion of space. Objects that are further away have increasing redshifts. Redshift is related to the velocity of the object that is redshifted, as it is undergoing a move in distance due to the inflation of space. Objects that are far apart undergo further expansion in distance. Think of inflation like galaxies that are drawn on a balloon, and when the balloon is inflated the galaxies all move distances from one another.

I do not completely agree with the big bang as it relates to redshift, and I do not agree with the big bang, as it doesn't relate to redshift, at all. But keep in mind my reasons for dissent are from qualms with evidence, not based on faith.

This post was edited by AEtheric on Sep 8 2010 06:12pm

I just want to jump in and point out you have zero idea how thermoregulation works. Animals that hibernate can go from being warm-blooded to cold-blooded during hibernation.

Also, the transitional fossil record is pretty strong. I think to say its the result of a freak deformity in the population is kind of silly when you can use radio dating to create a timeline of the fossils. If it was the result of freak deformities, you'd see all the fossils coming from all time periods which you don't.

Also: Dinosaur bones are a lot bigger and thicker than monkey bones. Just a thought. We've found a ton of whale bones too.

It's not just that there are deficiencies, it's that the explanation for them is supernatural. And supernatural is well...supernatural. Again...Phillip E. Johnson, author of Darwin on Trial, thinks the same way as most christians. He thinks that if you can't explain something it must be the result of a supernatural occurrence. But I'll say it again, we haven't always known what water was made of. Does that mean we should have just attributed it to some supernatural thing and stopped trying to figure out how it was created? No. We eventually figured out what molecules make up water.

I don't have an explanation for how things evolved from cold to warm, but logically, it doesn't seem impossible. Again, back to mutations. People are born with mutated hearts all the time - that I at least know. They could be getting an extra valve or something that would help them survive without requiring external heat. I mean, there's a bunch of different possibilities that aren't supernatural. I did a little bit of research and discovered it's still in debate as is all theories. Scientists are all trying to figure out how the change was made. If someone finds a way that seems very reasonable and someone a year later disproves the original idea, it will be scrapped.

Here's a discussion about how it's possible.
http://scienceofreason.org/forums/6-biology/102-cold-blooded-to-warm-blooded

Subdue,

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

there is also a cross reference with Colossians 3:22 which reads "Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eye service, as men pleasers; but in singlesness of heart

The KJV uses Servants instead of slaves but that doesn't really matter because I have a E-sword program (it's a bible program that let's you look up the words and their meanings)
Servants and slaves can be used synonymously in the greek word doulos
anwyays, Paul was talking to the slaves or servants of that time, you cannot pull that out of context and say, that slavery is ok

Paul was telling the slaves who had been enslaved by others (probably unbelievers) that even though they are unjustly enslaved that they should obey their masters because god has placed them there for a reason
the bible is not saying, that slavery is ok when it says that, it just speaks to the slaves that they should keep their heads up even though they are in bondage, paul isn't going to tell them to fight against their master's because God may have very well be using them to lead that family to christ

for example, the US government prevents open prayer in public schools, in some way, Christians are slaved by that law am i right? there will be consequences if you do not follow that law
if paul was to say in our day, he would be like saying, Christians, although you are not allowed to pray openly in a public school, you are to be kind to your fellow man and not offend anyone, you shouldn't be throwing bombs at the white house or pentagon just because they dont want you to pray in a public school

so in summary, Paul was not saying, slavery is ok, he was encouraging the slaves of that time the true purpose of their calling

This post was edited by Conviction on Sep 8 2010 07:04pm

i was merely answering your answer about a flood, i wasn't going to write a lecture about something i dont know completely off the top of my head, if you want to know more about the flood i suggest looking up some other sources
although you may find that there is absolute evidence of such an event, you will probably say that it was not because of the Flood from the Bible, which makes perfect sense to me because I cannot convince you otherwise of the truth of the Bible, again i say, it is not me who convicts the hearts of men, it is the Holy Spirit, there is no way for me to logically explain it to you, otherwise it would not be faith

the explanations that i have given are jus facts because i believe in Christ, not that i believe Christ because of facts

This post was edited by Conviction on Sep 8 2010 06:55pm

So you admit that your beliefs are not based on evidence but rather faith, and that your belief that things such as the flood are facts are only based on faith. I challenge you to provide evidence from the geological record that proves that a world-wide flood happened. This means that there will have to be evidence of water throughout a the entire world during a short period of time. Where did all of the water go after the flood? It disappeared due to god's will?