1 Peter 3:20-21
(20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
(21) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

This clearly teaches baptism is not for cleansing.

Then why are you so stuck in it?

Baptism by water doesn't save a person. Jesus does.

This is enough arguing about it though because there shouldn't be division in the body.

I won't say anything else, I'm just worried for you if you think water is going to save you.

This post was edited by Torm1 on Feb 24 2011 09:16pm

i agree with torm1, it is true that only jesus saves. baptism pretty much just symbolizes that your are pretty much killing yourself, and rising a new man (you are sending your fleshly self to a watery grave in the name of jesus and are born again in the spirit). if you study John 3:3-6, you can see jesus says u must be born again to see the kingdom of heaven. a man asks how can you be born again when you are old. He replies you must be baptised. When you are conceived from the womb, you are born in the flesh, when you arise from begin baptised (your watery grave) you are born again in the spirit.


if you get baptised and havent said the sinner prayer and been saved, its pretty much pointless. baptism alone CANNOT send you to heaven, only jesus can.

I will not mention it again to you if that is how you feel. But please don't be worried about me for I have obeyed all of God's commandments.

Can you show me where in the Bible, saying the "sinners prayer" saves me? Actually just show me the sinners prayer in the Bible.

it is not an actual prayer, its just a confession from the mouth to christ. being saved is simple, all it requires is a simple confession of the mouth, and the belief that Jesus is your savior. the difficult part is not backslidding back into your wicked ways.

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shall be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:9,10

This post was edited by cadizzle1392 on Feb 24 2011 10:50pm

Well what about these statements from God, shall we ignore them?

Mark 16: 16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." I will say this before it starts, if you don't believe then baptism is meaningless. You must believe before baptism. Otherwords, there is no point in being baptized if you don't believe to start with.

Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." What did Peter tell them to do? It wasn't just a simple confession of the mouth.

1 Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

Mark - he is trying to show you that baptism ALONE is meaningless. If you get baptised and dont even believe in Jesus, then it is useless.

Acts - Peter tells them to repent (something you do once saved). you would not be repenting if you were not saved, no?

1 peter - i dont have enough knowledge of the bible to know that answer

You seem to not have enough on the others. Acts 2:38 says Repent AND be bapized. Do you think baptism is not just as important as repenting? They are joined together by the conjuntion AND which places equal importance on both. Also, you don't get saved then repent, you don't get saved then get baptized. It is very clear in the verse that BOTH repent and baptism comes BEFORE the remission of sins. It really amazes me how people refuse to believe this.

if somebody asked you to wash and dry clothes for them. would you not obviously wash, then dry the clothes? you are not asked to dry and wash. peter says repent and get baptised, not get baptised and repent. also, i dont know anybody who would repent if they are not saved. you get saved, THEN repent. ALL of your sins were already forgiven by the blood of Christ Jesus when he was sacraficed over 2000 years ago.

so yes i do believe repentence > baptism