May God bless all of you and your families.

All I can see people doing to counter my argument is telling me what a DIFFERENT bible version says on the same passage. I also see that NOW we are adding into the equation of getting drunk, implying that it had to be alcoholic wine that I had to find. I wasn't told that at the beginning. I was merely challenged to find a part in the bible where it says that Jesus drank wine. I found a passage where it did indeed say that he drank wine, doesn't matter what kind of wine it was. Now everybody else is telling me that what I found wasn't in fact wine at all. Maybe not in your version in your bible but in mine it does.

SGThammy, if you are still following and reading this post, the best thing you can do is try and find victory. You do that mainly through accountability and surrender to God, but I would suggest visiting this site:

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Alright, im sure there is multiple ways of looking at this, but, im just going to employ the fallacy "ignoring alternatives", and hopefully it'll ease your mind.

1: The Holy Bible.
Due to your lack of self control, you are a sinner. and you must repent these sins, by whatever means necessary.

2: Human Nature
You saw a naked lady, your brain sent a message to your pee pee saying "me like", yet your brain is making you feel guilty due to your religious influences. in other words, you're like this because it's completely normal and natural for teenage boys (assuming you're a teenager) to be attracted, and curious about the opposite sex, and how your reproductive organs work. anything that says that these feelings make you a "sinner", is bullshit


im sure to you, one is clearer than the other. and hope it helps your common teenage "problem"


Note: The dirty feeling is normal. first time i masturbated, i had no idea what happened, and felt like i wronged myself, and that i shouldn't do it again. However, i was frequently home alone.

Drinking is not a sin bring drink is. Anything to alter your mind.

You always have.a chose when it comes to watching open and masterbating, you can always pick up hobbies or never let yourself be alone. I worked out a lot so I would be occupied and to exhausted.
Also keep in kind there are scripture that say there is no room in heaven for adulterer's, maybe you need to scare yourself

ummm masterbating is normal and there is nothing wrong with it i say wear your sins on your shoulders cuz the sins are the only interesting thing about you just saying

wouldnt you say religion alters your mind by learning from it?

You compare being drunk or high is same as learning about god?

In whatever way your watching porn, You need to destroy it. Stop getting on your computer and stop watching tv that makes you become lustful. There are ways around this and I am with you in this. I have had a very hard time with this. The best way is to cut the ties to the things you hold dear to your heart( tv, internet.....w/ever else you look at) The things in this world are temporary! REMEMBER THAT...dont lose yourself over something thats temporary. God Loves you...Heres scripture that has always helped me with this problem that You and I are both having.

"And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear.
But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it"
(1 Corinthians 10:13).

This post was edited by 2Legit2Quit)aS( on Jul 27 2010 11:55am

i used to be like this. id feel extremely guilty when i masturbated cuz the church told me it was wrong.

but is the church always right? for me, i don't understand why it is a sin to do something that is naturally and biologically wired into people. is it a sin to eat because you're hungry? its really quite normal if you don't do it excessively.